winninguglyin83 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 sox sent the mighty man to Charlotte. he pitched last night in Durham. Not pretty. Not pretty at all. One inning three hits. two runs. two earned runs. Game was tied at 3 when Koch entered, thanks to a solid pitching effort by Rauch. was not tied when he left. Koch (0-1). He's not going to help this team this season. It's just not going to happen. Something ain't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 sox sent the mighty man to Charlotte. he pitched last night in Durham. Not pretty. Not pretty at all. One inning three hits. two runs. two earned runs. Game was tied at 3 when Koch entered, thanks to a solid pitching effort by Rauch. was not tied when he left. Koch (0-1). He's not going to help this team this season. It's just not going to happen. Something ain't right. Agreed, The Sox need to put him on the shelf for the rest of the year, and not let him even look at a baseball until Spring Training. He needs to recharge that arm, I think a long rest period might be the way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Too bad. At his best he's the best we have. Right now I'm starting to wonder just how bad his arm is. He may need surgery part 2. I wonder how he passed the Sox physical, I can't remember a time this season when he was throwing like his old self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Birmingham? Heck why take Bullard's job, when is pitching better than Koch??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 I'd love to see Koch succeed. Sox gave up an excellent pitcher to get him. He'd be a terrific weapon to bolster the pen and give the team a lift. But I fear if they're going to try to force him back into the action -- and the results will be as deflating as they were that night in Tampa when he served up that meatball to Carl Crawford and took all the helium out of the wonderful sweep of the Twinkies. Sox don't need any more losses like that with only 30-or-so games to go. Pat Koch on the back and tell him to get healthy and help the cause next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Oh but.... we need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 No, we need the 2002 edition. The upgrade sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach61 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 The 2002 edition wasn't much better. Didn't he have a record of 11-4? That means he blew a lot of saves that yr. I like Koch, but until he learns how to pitch, he will never be a dominant closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I'd love to see Koch succeed. Sox gave up an excellent pitcher to get him. He'd be a terrific weapon to bolster the pen and give the team a lift. But I fear if they're going to try to force him back into the action -- and the results will be as deflating as they were that night in Tampa when he served up that meatball to Carl Crawford and took all the helium out of the wonderful sweep of the Twinkies. Sox don't need any more losses like that with only 30-or-so games to go. Pat Koch on the back and tell him to get healthy and help the cause next season. I agree 100%. If we were up 5 or 6 gms u might be able to give him a couple more chances. But it's too risky at this point. If he's not gettin guys out in Charlotte u may as well stick a fork in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 The 2002 edition wasn't much better. Didn't he have a record of 11-4? That means he blew a lot of saves that yr. I like Koch, but until he learns how to pitch, he will never be a dominant closer. He was 44 for 50 but saved 32 of his last 34. I'd rape Kobe to get the Koch back of 2002.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 He was 44 for 50 but saved 32 of his last 34. I'd rape Kobe to get the Koch back of 2002.... CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Me too, I want the old Koch back so bad, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Too bad. Next year I hope he's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I'm gonna give him a little more time. I know he had poor stats, but I want to know what the gun readings were and how much movement he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sad thing is, I bet there were at least 10 Koch bashers WAITING on his line like rabid dogs....I just don't get it, whats with the attention given squarely to Koch's failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sad thing is, I bet there were at least 10 Koch bashers WAITING on his line like rabid dogs....I just don't get it, whats with the attention given squarely to Koch's failure? People's own insecurites about themselves make them wish for the failure of others. It's a psychological problem that many people in this world have in which they cannot stand to see people be more successful then they are, and their jealousy causes them to wish ill upon them. The sad part is that if they would just stop worrying about others failing and focus more on their own success, they might actually make something of their lives. Instead, they typically lead mediocre, sad existances, and die unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sad thing is, I bet there were at least 10 Koch bashers WAITING on his line like rabid dogs....I just don't get it, whats with the attention given squarely to Koch's failure? Is it really that they are waiting in the wings to jump on him when he fails..? I was huge on this trade. Absolutely LOVED it. Yesterday was the FIRST time I've said anything negative about him.. and all I spoke was the truth. I wish he was healthy... oh geez.. can you imagine if he had been on all year?!?! But he hasn't. So.. like every single person here has when someone does poorly.. I expressed it. I don't think anyone is being "rabid" about it. It's just so damn frustrating that he's not what he was last year!! JMO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Is it really that they are waiting in the wings to jump on him when he fails..? I was huge on this trade. Absolutely LOVED it. Yesterday was the FIRST time I've said anything negative about him.. and all I spoke was the truth. I wish he was healthy... oh geez.. can you imagine if he had been on all year?!?! But he hasn't. So.. like every single person here has when someone does poorly.. I expressed it. I don't think anyone is being "rabid" about it. It's just so damn frustrating that he's not what he was last year!! JMO.. Steff, he said that there were "at least 10 people" who he felt were wishing for Koch's failure, but he did not mention any names. I'd be willing to bet that there were far more than 10 that, when they saw his line from his 1st rehab start, got very happy -- and I would hope you'd agree that is just sick and disturbing, and that in all likelihood, they have some deep-seeded issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Is it really that they are waiting in the wings to jump on him when he fails..? I was huge on this trade. Absolutely LOVED it. Yesterday was the FIRST time I've said anything negative about him.. and all I spoke was the truth. I wish he was healthy... oh geez.. can you imagine if he had been on all year?!?! But he hasn't. So.. like every single person here has when someone does poorly.. I expressed it. I don't think anyone is being "rabid" about it. It's just so damn frustrating that he's not what he was last year!! JMO.. Steff, he said that there were "at least 10 people" who he felt were wishing for Koch's failure, but he did not mention any names. I'd be willing to bet that there were far more than 10 that, when they saw his line from his 1st rehab start, got very happy -- and I would hope you'd agree that is just sick and disturbing, and that in all likelihood, they have some deep-seeded issues. You could be right.. but I hope that isn't true. I think we're an emotional and passionate group about this team. And we are vocal when things go wrong. I'd like to think that once people sign off here after voicing their opinions they don't walk around talking about how Koch sucks.. but then again, maybe they do. I know when I sign off here I don't think about baseball as far to have to talk about it again until I am watching it on TV, at the game, or back here or on WSI posting. Although, maybe I'm the weird one..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Is it really that they are waiting in the wings to jump on him when he fails..? I was huge on this trade. Absolutely LOVED it. Yesterday was the FIRST time I've said anything negative about him.. and all I spoke was the truth. I wish he was healthy... oh geez.. can you imagine if he had been on all year?!?! But he hasn't. So.. like every single person here has when someone does poorly.. I expressed it. I don't think anyone is being "rabid" about it. It's just so damn frustrating that he's not what he was last year!! JMO.. Steff, he said that there were "at least 10 people" who he felt were wishing for Koch's failure, but he did not mention any names. I'd be willing to bet that there were far more than 10 that, when they saw his line from his 1st rehab start, got very happy -- and I would hope you'd agree that is just sick and disturbing, and that in all likelihood, they have some deep-seeded issues. You could be right.. but I hope that isn't true. I think we're an emotional and passionate group about this team. And we are vocal when things go wrong. I'd like to think that once people sign off here after voicing their opinions they don't walk around talking about how Koch sucks.. but then again, maybe they do. I know when I sign off here I don't think about baseball as far to have to talk about it again until I am watching it on TV, at the game, or back here or on WSI posting. Although, maybe I'm the weird one..? I don't know anyone on here in a "real world" setting (eg, face to face), but based on some of the comments I've read from several people on here, it would not shock me at all to learn that they go around all day telling people how much Koch, Konerko, White, Ritchie, Jimenez, and whoever else the Sox bum of the week happens to be, sucks. There seems to be so many insecurities around here that such behavior would be the norm. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am. And I'm like you -- outside of this board and outside of a TV/Radio, I don't think about baseball much. And also, it's one thing to be passionate and emotional about the Sox. I think we all are, otherwise we wouldn't spend the time that we spend on this message board discussing things. But, to take it to the extreme that someone is wishing for a player to fail to satiate their own sick desires is just flat out wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 And I'm like you -- outside of this board and outside of a TV/Radio, I don't think about baseball much. And also, it's one thing to be passionate and emotional about the Sox. I think we all are, otherwise we wouldn't spend the time that we spend on this message board discussing things. But, to take it to the extreme that someone is wishing for a player to fail to satiate their own sick desires is just flat out wrong. A lot of people agreeing with you lately, clu. (cue Twilight Zone music... ) I agree completely with you on the latter of your post. I'd be willing to say that there are some fans out there like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 A lot of people agreeing with you lately, clu. (cue Twilight Zone music... ) I agree completely with you on the latter of your post. I'd be willing to say that there are some fans out there like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Is it really that they are waiting in the wings to jump on him when he fails..? I was huge on this trade. Absolutely LOVED it. Yesterday was the FIRST time I've said anything negative about him.. and all I spoke was the truth. I wish he was healthy... oh geez.. can you imagine if he had been on all year?!?! But he hasn't. So.. like every single person here has when someone does poorly.. I expressed it. I don't think anyone is being "rabid" about it. It's just so damn frustrating that he's not what he was last year!! JMO.. Steff, he said that there were "at least 10 people" who he felt were wishing for Koch's failure, but he did not mention any names. I'd be willing to bet that there were far more than 10 that, when they saw his line from his 1st rehab start, got very happy -- and I would hope you'd agree that is just sick and disturbing, and that in all likelihood, they have some deep-seeded issues. If there are White Sox fans, who want Sox players to do poorly, they are very confused, but if you think there are 10+ people who take pleasure in Sox failures, I'd say you're confused. I'll say it again I hate Billy Botch, called him Billy Botch his first year in Toronto, didn't like the trade and don't like him now, but there has never been I time when I've been happy about any player from any of my favorite teams playing poorly. Given how great the fans on this site must be I highly doubt anybody here does take such pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 People's own insecurites about themselves make them wish for the failure of others. It's a psychological problem that many people in this world have in which they cannot stand to see people be more successful then they are, and their jealousy causes them to wish ill upon them. The sad part is that if they would just stop worrying about others failing and focus more on their own success, they might actually make something of their lives. Instead, they typically lead mediocre, sad existances, and die unhappy. You'd have to be an absolutely self-centered moron to be hoping for Koch to fail. If he succeeds we have one of the best bullpens in all of baseball. Period. We would have one of the best staffs 1-10 in all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 You'd have to be an absolutely self-centered moron to be hoping for Koch to fail. If he succeeds we have one of the best bullpens in all of baseball. Period. We would have one of the best staffs 1-10 in all of baseball. Agreed -- and based on some of the recent comments about Billy Koch, I'd wager there are several "self-centered morons" on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 love to see koch succeed. it would give the team a huge boost. Don't know of any Sox fans who want to see him FAIL. but what would be horrible for this team would be for Koch to return and be put into important games when they are on the line. Something is wrong with the guy this year. He simply doesn't have it. Management was slow to remove him from a critical role and it has cost this team games the Sox should not have lost. It's not outrageous to believe the Sox would have a four or five game cushion without Koch's high-wire pyrotechnics. Even Koch has admitted he has been dreadful. it's time for the Sox to proceed without Koch in 2003 and work on getting him right for 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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