witesoxfan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) It gets better. "Your ass may get wasted, but my ass is getting pounded!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) You joined here in '02 but lost your virginity in '08? Long road for you? Lol I was 21. I've seen plenty worse. But yes, high school was not kind to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) "Your ass may get wasted, but my ass is getting pounded!" Can an a--hole rip in half? Edited August 21, 2013 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) I was 21. I've seen plenty worse. But yes, high school was not kind to me. Its alright....that area after high school hasnt been kind to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) As far as the "quitting" issue, I don't really care that he left the team with 2-3 games to go or whatever it was. Who cares? The season was over by then anyway. Why do you want the Sox to win this year? Season's over anyhow. Why not just suck and get a better draft pick? See how that logic works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) He was a good player and good ss. He probably should have taken more walks, but aside from that he was damn good. He was a glove-only player that got way more playing time than he deserved. Doesn't matter how you slice it, he was a poor baserunner and a liability at the plate. You can attack it sabermetrically or non-sabermetrically. Career .264/.287/.338 hitter with 28 homers over 15 years. Successful stolen base rate of just 61%, -11.4 career runs on the bases. Two of 15 seasons where he worked out to be an above-average regular by WAR, accumulating just 13.1 over his career -- ten of those wins coming from defense alone, nearly all of that during his first five seasons. In fact, by UZR, he was an elite defender from 1985 - 1990, slightly above average from 1991 - 1994, and a flat out defensive liability from 1995 - 2000. I'm just not seeing it. He was a bad hitter and bad baserunner who lost most of his range after the first third of his career. I'm open to arguments the other way, I just can't imagine what they'd be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 03:52 PM) How can you be a Sox fan and say those things about Ozzie? Pretty harsh. I mean this is big boy sports. We won it all finally cause we had a big boy manager. Ah, a big boy manager who used his sons twitter account and a hack journalist to rip on his employer. Thats pretty big boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 He was negotiating with another team while he was the god damn manager of the White Sox. That's some b**** ass Benedict Arnold s***. f*** him. That's not even going into using his kids to sabotage the organization, undermine the GM and create dissent in the clubhouse. *disclaimer* I've met him and Robin and thought Ozzie was a much nicer guy. Still, f*** that sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Stupid is as stupid does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 03:31 PM) The Sean Tracey moment is really when it, at least to me, everything started to fall apart for Ozzie Guillen. He's a guy who started to believe his own talk too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) As far as the "quitting" issue, I don't really care that he left the team with 2-3 games to go or whatever it was. Who cares? The season was over by then anyway. He still had another year on his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) I strongly suspect he already worked out a deal with the Marlins while he was still the Sox manager. That's pretty unforgivable in the sports world IMO. Illegal by both parties actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 07:37 PM) Illegal by both parties actually. I'm sure it is. That means nothing. I was at the game Robin hit the GS off Gossage in the bottom of the 9th. The stadium emptied out a lot so we moved down and had a perfect view. Anyway, I tried to get Robin to sign my ticket after the game and he refused. I was a little kid. It still kind of bums me out. I've met him a couple other times and he was kind of quiet, but a nice enough guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) "Your ass may get wasted, but my ass is getting pounded!" The only thing I take from this is you lost your virginity to a man or to a man while in jail. Some things just go over my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Someone musta been really, really, really bored to start a thread like this. He just had to learn about the American media the hard way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) This is why advanced stats bother me. You can say all you want. The eye test tells me Ozzie was a good player. Not great or anything, but good. Didn't he even make the all-star team a few times?? I used both advanced stats and regular old stats to make that argument. What is more basic than batting average and homeruns? Point to any number at all to show he was a good player. I'm trying to find something and I'm not finding anything. Eye test? What looked good about that batting line? He was a really good defender in the 80's, sure. If your definition of a good player is "was good at defense for one third of his career and absolutely horrible at every other aspect of the game the entire time" then I really don't know why you hate guys like Alex Rios and Adam Dunn. Did he make an all-star team? Probably, but so did Cesar Izturis. In a year when he hit .257/.302/.322, lol. That means nothing. Edited August 22, 2013 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Looking at it objectively, Ozzie isn't even a Top 3 White Sox SS of All-Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 01:08 AM) You guys act like uh, the White Sox wanted Ozzie. Yeah they wanted him ... GONE. Sox got what they wanted ... rid of Ozzie and keeping Kenny. Ozzie got what he wanted, but Ozzie, who IMO is not a very smart man brains wise, thought he got what he wanted, the Marlins. He made a big mistake. That owner is a SNAKE. I'll never understand those of you who profess hatred of Ozzie because of this negotiating with Miami. WHo cares??? The Sox DID NOT WANT OZ ANYMORE. Everyone should care. Negotiating with another team while still employed with his current team is illegal, Greg. It's illegal. And he had another year left on his contract. He got what he deserved in Miami. Yes, the Marlins owner is a snake, but Ozzie is an idiot whose big mouth finally got him in trouble. And stop bringing up 2005. That was about the only good he did. His performance really fell off after that. It's like a guy who did a really good job on a project for his employer five years ago and was employee of the year. Since that time, he comes in late, has behavior issues, mouths off to his boss, and is a basic s***bag. But everyone keeps saying, but he was employee of the year once. Let's hold on to him. No, you fire his ass. You can't do one good job and expect to get by with doing nothing ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Well this thread went exactly the way one would have expected it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I will always have the memory of Ozzie being pissed that the Sox let him go in '97. Halfway thru the year he went on a rant about how the Sox middle infield sucked and Baltimore's, with him, was the best in baseball. I don't think he even played 20 games there. His replacement, while having a very short career, batted over .300 that year and was in consideration for ROY. When the Sox hired him originally, I was pissed, having the vivid memory of his anti-Sox rants. Sure, the WS win helped to calm that down, but his act got old fast and I am just glad he isn't here anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Look at the title of the thread. It's bound to be controversial with one outspoken Ozzie supporter still around. Why can't he just be remembered fondly? Anybody who can lead a Chicago baseball team to a WS title is doing something right. Do you realize w/out 05 Chicago remains the laughingstock of baseball? That stuff at the end was inevitable. Managers are hired to be fired/replaced. It was bound to be ugly and the way it went down, Ozzie ended up being the bad guy with fans even though the front office was happy Miami took him off the Sox's hands. Given the overwhelming response of this thread, I think the question is "How can he possibly be remembered fondly?" He's really a POS human being who managed the White Sox during their first World Series title in 88 years. We're all thankful for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Look at the title of the thread. It's bound to be controversial with one outspoken Ozzie supporter still around. Why can't he just be remembered fondly? Anybody who can lead a Chicago baseball team to a WS title is doing something right. Do you realize w/out 05 Chicago remains the laughingstock of baseball? That stuff at the end was inevitable. Managers are hired to be fired/replaced. It was bound to be ugly and the way it went down, Ozzie ended up being the bad guy with fans even though the front office was happy Miami took him off the Sox's hands. You seem to be giving him some massive chunk of the credit for the WS title. He was the manager, not one of the players. Sure, he had some part in it, but it's not like he put the team on his back and made it happen. Overrated player, overrated manager, totally childish and unprofessional person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) The one great thing Ozzie did during his first 3-5 years on the job was to deflect blame off of the players and onto himself, allowing them to focus solely on baseball. By the end of his tenure, he was doing the exact OPPOSITE of that, blaming the players while exonerating himself while still being a jackass and a poor in game manager. AND THEN he had the nerve to negotiate with the Marlins midseason. Edited August 22, 2013 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Look at the title of the thread. It's bound to be controversial with one outspoken Ozzie supporter still around. Why can't he just be remembered fondly? Anybody who can lead a Chicago baseball team to a WS title is doing something right. Do you realize w/out 05 Chicago remains the laughingstock of baseball? That stuff at the end was inevitable. Managers are hired to be fired/replaced. It was bound to be ugly and the way it went down, Ozzie ended up being the bad guy with fans even though the front office was happy Miami took him off the Sox's hands. If you want to give overwhelming credit to 1 person for winning the World Series, you should thank Don Cooper or Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) If you want to give overwhelming credit to 1 person for winning the World Series, you should thank Don Cooper or Kenny Williams. or Chris Widger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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