southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 And doesn't have to take Brian Kendall to do it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1603146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 And doesn't have to take Brian Kendall to do it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1603146 Why does Pittsburgh even have a team? Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2003 Author Share Posted August 26, 2003 And doesn't have to take Brian Kendall to do it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1603146 Why does Pittsburgh even have a team? Pathetic. Same in Detroit, Montreal, etc. The state of the game of baseball is terrible. Teams are just totally melting down, and it is discusting. Bud Selig has allowed this sport to just be ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 And doesn't have to take Brian Kendall to do it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1603146 Why does Pittsburgh even have a team? Pathetic. Same in Detroit, Montreal, etc. The state of the game of baseball is terrible. Teams are just totally melting down, and it is discusting. Bud Selig has allowed this sport to just be ruined. Yeah it angers me too. One team can buy anyone they wish(insert yankees here) and another team trades off their best players every season. Give me ONE good reason for a fan to remain a expo or pirate fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Rondell White went to the Royals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Well, we're kind of feeding off of underachieving teams as well, ALomar, Everett, Sullivan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Perez is a top notch prospect. This isn't a horrible move when you consider it from the financial standpoint. move makes sense for both teams, although I'd think the Pirates could of got more. Had Nady been in the package, I'd of said they did pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Padres will do the same thing the Pirates are doing right now in three years. Remember when the stadium windfall was going to save the Tigers, Pirates, and Reds. Seatlle did it right by wisely spending their money to build a winning product. The Padres are now to be looking at signing Maddux in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Padres will do the same thing the Pirates are doing right now in three years. Remember when the stadium windfall was going to save the Tigers, Pirates, and Reds. Seatlle did it right by wisely spending their money to build a winning product. The Padres are now to be looking at signing Maddux in the offseason. One difference. The Padres are a pretty good organization and Kevin Towers is a pretty smart GM. The Pads have quite a few good, talented young players and the Pirates never had that. Guys like Nady, Khalil Greene, Sean Burroughs, etc. I know I'm leaving out a few names. They also plan on adding another hitter (Probably Matsui or Tejada) and then they'll move Greene to 2nd (just a guess). Pitching wise Peavy seems very good while Eaton and others have flashed potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 One difference. The Padres are a pretty good organization and Kevin Towers is a pretty smart GM. The Pads have quite a few good, talented young players and the Pirates never had that. Guys like Nady, Khalil Greene, Sean Burroughs, etc. I know I'm leaving out a few names. They also plan on adding another hitter (Probably Matsui or Tejada) and then they'll move Greene to 2nd (just a guess). Pitching wise Peavy seems very good while Eaton and others have flashed potential. YES!!! They didn't give up Nady!! Great trade. I am going to purchase a 10 game set if they sign Tejada, which all signs indicate they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 One difference. The Padres are a pretty good organization and Kevin Towers is a pretty smart GM. The Pads have quite a few good, talented young players and the Pirates never had that. Guys like Nady, Khalil Greene, Sean Burroughs, etc. I know I'm leaving out a few names. They also plan on adding another hitter (Probably Matsui or Tejada) and then they'll move Greene to 2nd (just a guess). Pitching wise Peavy seems very good while Eaton and others have flashed potential. YES!!! They didn't give up Nady!! Great trade. I am going to purchase a 10 game set if they sign Tejada, which all signs indicate they will. If you do...I expect ya to hook me up with tickets to the opening day game I'm gonna definately get tickets to that one. Padres are one of those teams I like. I love going to the stadium down there and I'm with ya on Nady. That kid is good. I thought they were morons for even considering trading him. Are they gonna deal Nevin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 I might have to go down to San Diego next year to see Giles and the new ballpark. If the Padres get Tejada, I call Khalil Greene for the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Same in Detroit, Montreal, etc. The state of the game of baseball is terrible. Teams are just totally melting down, and it is discusting. Bud Selig has allowed this sport to just be ruined. You say that, but we're in late August, and over half (17 of 30) of the teams in baseball have a legitimate chance at making the post season. I cannot recall that EVER happening in my 15 years of being a baseball fan. And as far as the Expos go, they are one of those 17 teams. They are just 3 games back in the NL Wild Card race. Granted, they're going to have to leap over 6 teams to win it, so it's not very likely, but if they were to go on a 13-1 streak like the Sox did, they would be in the lead. So, while it may seem that there is no parity in MLB in 2003, there in fact has never been more. I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that there are as many teams still in contention as there can mathematically be. I don't know if that is true or if they were exaggerating, but I can't imagine having more than 17 teams in contention this late in the season. And to say that Bud Selig is to blame for the "melt-down of teams" and "disgusting state of the game" is inaccurate and unfair IMO. Bud is the one that instituted the wild card, which is keeping baseball fans in Boston, Los Angeles, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Florida glued to their TV when they otherwise would have given up on the season. It's also given fans of Boston, Seattle, Oakland, Chicago (Cubs), Houston, and St Louis a shot at the post season if they don't win their division. A major reason why there are teams as bad as the Tigers is because their owner simply isn't willing to spend the money to be competitive. IMO, that is not Bud's fault. And conversely, if a team is willing to give a mediocre player a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, that too is not Bud's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 No point in moving Khalil to 2nd when Gautreau is already set there. BTW, Bucos got Jason bay, who's pretty good in his own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Give me ONE good reason for a fan to remain a expo or pirate fan. I still have one for one more month....Vlad Gurerro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 And doesn't have to take Brian Kendall to do it http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1603146 Jason Kendall not Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 You say that, but we're in late August, and over half (17 of 30) of the teams in baseball have a legitimate chance at making the post season. I cannot recall that EVER happening in my 15 years of being a baseball fan. And as far as the Expos go, they are one of those 17 teams. They are just 3 games back in the NL Wild Card race. Granted, they're going to have to leap over 6 teams to win it, so it's not very likely, but if they were to go on a 13-1 streak like the Sox did, they would be in the lead. So, while it may seem that there is no parity in MLB in 2003, there in fact has never been more. I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that there are as many teams still in contention as there can mathematically be. I don't know if that is true or if they were exaggerating, but I can't imagine having more than 17 teams in contention this late in the season. And to say that Bud Selig is to blame for the "melt-down of teams" and "disgusting state of the game" is inaccurate and unfair IMO. Bud is the one that instituted the wild card, which is keeping baseball fans in Boston, Los Angeles, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Florida glued to their TV when they otherwise would have given up on the season. It's also given fans of Boston, Seattle, Oakland, Chicago (Cubs), Houston, and St Louis a shot at the post season if they don't win their division. A major reason why there are teams as bad as the Tigers is because their owner simply isn't willing to spend the money to be competitive. IMO, that is not Bud's fault. And conversely, if a team is willing to give a mediocre player a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, that too is not Bud's fault. Agreed whole heartedly. These owners are doing it the wrong way. They seem to be following the Carl Pohlad method, that being, spend nothing on your team, hoping your team is good one year, and keeping all the good players in town. It was not that long ago that ARod signed a 10-year, $252 mill contract, and in that first year, he made more money then the Twins had in 2000(I think....it was something like that). That is not the way you should do it.....you do it that way, and eventually you will be successful, but it could take 10, 20, 30+ years. The way you need to start it is to get a franchise player and you need to build around him. The Royals did it with Mike Sweeney, the Expos have done that with Vlad Guerrero, our White Sox have done it with Frank Thomas and, to an extent, Magglio Ordonez. I could probably go on and on, but I don't wanna waste the time. It is truly incredible. I remember seeing the NL Wild Card standings last night....8 teams were within 4 games. That's just not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Don't forget, the Pirates have Bobby Hill. He should start next year, with Freddie Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Don't forget, the Pirates have Bobby Hill. He should start next year, with Freddie Sanchez. That should be a semi fun infield to watch or at least it could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 The Pirates attempted to build around a couple of good players (Error-miss Ramirez, Brian Giles and Jason kendall). This has failed and the contracts they gave these guys has turned into a burden that the Pirates cannot afford to keep. By attempting to build around those 3, they painted themselves into a corner. Oh ... you can Kris Benson to that group, also. It seems to me the Pirates are doing the only smart thing they can do. Which, is in all effects, punting on 4th down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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