daggins Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Maybe I missed it but is this the first confirmation from Bell that the Sox will be expanding into the AZL next year? Always good to gain an affiliate, especially when trying to grow an MiLB system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I thought this should have its own thread. I contacted Scott Merkin to see if we can find out more on this - details aren't known, that I've seen. But apparently, the Sox are going to have an AZL team in 2014. The article talked about both Bristol and Great Falls in 2015 for Zapata, so it appears this isn't closing or moving a team, but adding a new one. Given the Sox' increased LatAm operations, and the fact that they were keeping guys in AZ well into the season anyway for various reasons, this makes a lot of sense. If anyone else finds any details on this, post it here if you get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) I thought this should have its own thread. I contacted Scott Merkin to see if we can find out more on this - details aren't known, that I've seen. But apparently, the Sox are going to have an AZL team in 2014. The article talked about both Bristol and Great Falls in 2015 for Zapata, so it appears this isn't closing or moving a team, but adding a new one. Given the Sox' increased LatAm operations, and the fact that they were keeping guys in AZ well into the season anyway for various reasons, this makes a lot of sense. If anyone else finds any details on this, post it here if you get a chance. How does the AZL generally work? Is it considered on the same level as the other two rookie leagues? In between them and the DSL/VSL? Draft picks or will this maybe get more experienced kids out of the DSL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 08:17 AM) How does the AZL generally work? Is it considered on the same level as the other two rookie leagues? In between them and the DSL/VSL? Draft picks or will this maybe get more experienced kids out of the DSL? I don't know a ton, but talking to a Cubs guy a while back, they use their AZL team as a lower level rookie team, about how the Sox use Bristol. Someone else can maybe see what info there is out there on the league as a whole, but my guess from off hand conversation is that it is slightly below the Appy/Pioneer level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) I don't know a ton, but talking to a Cubs guy a while back, they use their AZL team as a lower level rookie team, about how the Sox use Bristol. Someone else can maybe see what info there is out there on the league as a whole, but my guess from off hand conversation is that it is slightly below the Appy/Pioneer level. I think, generally speaking, these teams are leveled to whatever the teams want them to be, but about Bristol or Great Falls for sure. You see both Caucasian and Latino names spread throughout the leaderboards, but young players abound for sure. I think, just generally speaking, it's a transitional league. What's funny is that the Sox had an AZL team before - from 1998-2002. It's funny because that's when their system was bonkers good. I think this allows us some more insight into Hahn's philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This is nice. An affiliate semi out my way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 When does the AZL play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) When does the AZL play? I was wondering the same thing. It is an extension of the fall league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) When does the AZL play? Same time as the other short season rookie leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 08:33 AM) I think, generally speaking, these teams are leveled to whatever the teams want them to be, but about Bristol or Great Falls for sure. You see both Caucasian and Latino names spread throughout the leaderboards, but young players abound for sure. I think, just generally speaking, it's a transitional league. What's funny is that the Sox had an AZL team before - from 1998-2002. It's funny because that's when their system was bonkers good. I think this allows us some more insight into Hahn's philosophy. Yup, we had an AZL team back in the day and then switched to Great Falls in 2003. Not sure why, maybe the Pioneer League is considered more advanced. I guess I didn't even realize that teams can have more than 6 U.S. affiliates, but it looks like some teams do. Don't see how it could be a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 4, 2013 -> 06:25 PM) I guess I didn't even realize that teams can have more than 6 U.S. affiliates, but it looks like some teams do. Don't see how it could be a bad thing. Actually most teams do and I believe that's a newer thing. I don't remember as many having three rookie affiliates. The Arizona League and the Gulf Coast League are sometimes referred to as 'complex leagues' as in played on spring training complexes. It's a lower level than the Appy or Pioneer. My guess is that the Sox will work in some younger talent there, with a heavier foreign and high school influence. Look at how awful Bristol has been in recent years. They've been overmatched. That's largely the kind of team I expect to see in the Arizona League and the hope would be that Bristol gets more experience and success that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm assuming this team would play at Camelback Ranch. No matter, lotsa games in +100 temperatures. Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The last couple posts are making me think this team is being set up with an eye towards bringing in a lot more players from Latin America in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Got a little more info, from Merkin... The team will be in AZ, and play in the "Fire League". Rookie level. Mike Gellinger likely managing. He said he'd pass on more info when it is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 12:58 AM) I'm assuming this team would play at Camelback Ranch. No matter, lotsa games in +100 temperatures. Yikes. I think these would be night games. Camelback sucks in March. No shade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 13, 2013 -> 08:32 PM) I think these would be night games. Camelback sucks in March. No shade. Yeah I thought about that. In the daytime the playing field would have to be unbearable. I spent the whole 2012 spring training down there and some of those day games in March were mighty hot, but good god I had a great time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 The Rookie teams in Florida often play in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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