lasttriptotulsa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) I think there are a bunch of guys lumped at the top. Sale should be top 3, but I won't feel ripped off when he doesn't win it. I just hope he land sin the the top 5 somewhere so people will think to look at his numbers. I think the voters are willing to overlook W/L record if all the other numbers blow everyone else away. There are too many guys having similar seasons to Sale for the voters to ignore W/L. That being said, I agree with you 100%. Should be top 3 will probably be 4-5. Edited September 23, 2013 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Sale has 2.97 ERA compared to 2012's 3.05. Hopefully it doesn't do any rising this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 If Sale had 20 wins on a crappy team like this, how many of us would be pointing towards wins to build his case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 05:28 AM) If Sale had 20 wins on a crappy team like this, how many of us would be pointing towards wins to build his case? That would certainly be pretty impressive if he had 1/3 of the team's total wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Frankly, I think it would be more lucky than anything else and, conversely, he has been unlucky to go 11-13. Here are some of his lines from games he has gotten a ND or a L. 7.1 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K (ND, Sox won 2-1) 8 IP, 6 H, 0 ER (2 R), 1 BB, 14 K (L, Sox lost 2-1) 8 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 13 K (ND, Sox won 5-4) 8 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 10 K (L, Sox lost 4-0) 7 IP, 6 H, 2 ER (3 R), 1 BB, 9 K (L, Sox lost 3-0) 8 IP, 7 H, 2 ER (4 R), 3 BB, 11 K (L, Sox lost 7-3) 9 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K (L, Sox lost 1-0) 7.1 IP, 5 H, 2 ER (3 R), 1 BB, 6 K (ND, Sox lost 6-4) 7.2 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 7 K (ND, Sox lost 7-6) There were a few others he could have won (had a 6 IP, 1 R outing against Oakland that I didn't mention), but I wanted to make a point to show how many times he pitched through at least the 7th inning and still got a no decision or loss. With run support and/or better defense, it's safe to say that he wins at least 7 of those. If we give him 3 ND's and 4 of those losses, he is at 18-9. Because he's 11-13, does it reflect on how he's pitched this year? What more could he have done in these games to get himself a win? Edited September 27, 2013 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 05:28 AM) If Sale had 20 wins on a crappy team like this, how many of us would be pointing towards wins to build his case? Not many of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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