Massive overnight shooting at Southside Chicago park

[southsider2k5]

I agree it's awful and I'm glad someone was actually disturbed by this.

 

But keep in mind that violence has plunged nationwide, especially in cities. As bad as Chicago is right now, it's this noticeable because the coastal cities have done so much better. The rustbelt cities have not seen the population resurgence.

 

I hope things can get better fast, because so many children are dying right now.

 

But of course the way you show you are disturbed is by someone else's random scale on a message board...

[BigSqwert]

Salt Lake City, Dallas, Houston (sadly is turning liberal, its fate looms), San Antonio, Charlotte, Indianapolis, Anchorage, Phoenix... I think combined those cities have fewer murders every year than Chicago. And they cost less to live (EVIL RICH PEOPLE MAKE THINGS EXPENSIVE GRRRR) in than New York, Boston or Chicago. Portland hugely benefits from the rest of Oregon being so conservative.

 

I mean none of these compare to liberal boomtowns like Gary or Baltimore but one day I'm sure they strive to be as successful as those cities are now.

 

Look at the last presidential election results of those cities. Obama had a majority of votes in most, if not all of those cities. And way to cherry pick cities the fraction of the size of Chicago. Anchorage? LOL

[DukeNukeEm]

Look at the last presidential election results of those cities. Obama had a majority of votes in most, if not all of those cities. And way to cherry pick cities the fraction of the size of Chicago. Anchorage? LOL

All but two cities in the country are "fractions the size of Chicago." Dallas / Ft. Worth, Houston, San Antonio and Phoenix are pretty large cites in their own rights. And hey, none of them are in a death spiral while Chicago just posted its lowest census figures in like 100 years.

 

But I really dont see the appeal of living in some massive city. What's in it? You're just stacked on top of one another, you can only really go as far as your lame bicycle or public transportation can take you (unless you have a car, which most cities will put in the poor house for having the audacity to own) and everything is more expensive.

 

I guess that's whats cool now though. Urban grit, the concrete jungle. "Yea man, I could totally have gotten mugged on my to Yo Yo Yogurt time from the boutique pet salon." They dont even have that grit anymore, I'm guessing it might've been cool back in the day where if you wanted to do some depraved s*** that skirted legality you had to find a New York or Chicago; but pretending that still exists when most American cities are some combination of hipster dens, yuppie Disneyland and gang warzones is just delusional.

 

Oh, and that's not even getting started on the taxes.

 

So yea, go ahead... if you want the cities you can have them. Most logistics and manufacturing infrasture got kicked out to build ugly condo's years ago and a vast majority of jobs provided are in crucial sectors of the economy like food service, "working" for the city or, if you're lucky, some wealth recycling plant where you camp in a cubicle before you take the bus home. Some existence!

 

By the way, I'm talking about cties that aren't entirely run by liberals. People may have voted for Obama to destroy the country but many of them had better sense in electing local officials.

Edited September 21, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[Balta1701]

I'm sorry that my pathetic bicycle isn't as "cool" as your awesome manly car.

[chw42]

All but two cities in the country are "fractions the size of Chicago." Dallas / Ft. Worth, Houston, San Antonio and Phoenix are pretty large cites in their own rights. And hey, none of them are in a death spiral while Chicago just posted its lowest census figures in like 100 years.

 

But I really dont see the appeal of living in some massive city. What's in it? You're just stacked on top of one another, you can only really go as far as your lame bicycle or public transportation can take you (unless you have a car, which most cities will put in the poor house for having the audacity to own) and everything is more expensive.

 

I guess that's whats cool now though. Urban grit, the concrete jungle. "Yea man, I could totally have gotten mugged on my to Yo Yo Yogurt time from the boutique pet salon." They dont even have that grit anymore, I'm guessing it might've been cool back in the day where if you wanted to do some depraved s*** that skirted legality you had to find a New York or Chicago; but pretending that still exists when most American cities are some combination of hipster dens, yuppie Disneyland and gang warzones is just delusional.

 

Oh, and that's not even getting started on the taxes.

 

So yea, go ahead... if you want the cities you can have them. Most logistics and manufacturing infrasture got kicked out to build ugly condo's years ago and a vast majority of jobs provided are in crucial sectors of the economy like food service, "working" for the city or, if you're lucky, some wealth recycling plant where you camp in a cubicle before you take the bus home. Some existence!

 

By the way, I'm talking about cties that aren't entirely run by liberals. People may have voted for Obama to destroy the country but many of them had better sense in electing local officials.

 

Well, back on the ignore list you go.

Edited September 21, 2013 by chw42

[Jake]

LOL, I'm confused

 

Do you really think the only appeal of living in Chicago is evading death and/or working at McDonald's?

 

There's one very simple advantage to living in a city staring you in the face: why do you think we are all gathered here on Soxtalk.com?

[DukeNukeEm]

LOL, I'm confused

 

Do you really think the only appeal of living in Chicago is evading death and/or working at McDonald's?

 

There's one very simple advantage to living in a city staring you in the face: why do you think we are all gathered here on Soxtalk.com?

I do miss the White Sox and Bears. I'll give you that.

[Texsox]

All but two cities in the country are "fractions the size of Chicago." Dallas / Ft. Worth, Houston, San Antonio and Phoenix are pretty large cites in their own rights. And hey, none of them are in a death spiral while Chicago just posted its lowest census figures in like 100 years.

 

But I really dont see the appeal of living in some massive city. What's in it? You're just stacked on top of one another, you can only really go as far as your lame bicycle or public transportation can take you (unless you have a car, which most cities will put in the poor house for having the audacity to own) and everything is more expensive.

 

I guess that's whats cool now though. Urban grit, the concrete jungle. "Yea man, I could totally have gotten mugged on my to Yo Yo Yogurt time from the boutique pet salon." They dont even have that grit anymore, I'm guessing it might've been cool back in the day where if you wanted to do some depraved s*** that skirted legality you had to find a New York or Chicago; but pretending that still exists when most American cities are some combination of hipster dens, yuppie Disneyland and gang warzones is just delusional.

 

Oh, and that's not even getting started on the taxes.

 

So yea, go ahead... if you want the cities you can have them. Most logistics and manufacturing infrasture got kicked out to build ugly condo's years ago and a vast majority of jobs provided are in crucial sectors of the economy like food service, "working" for the city or, if you're lucky, some wealth recycling plant where you camp in a cubicle before you take the bus home. Some existence!

 

By the way, I'm talking about cties that aren't entirely run by liberals. People may have voted for Obama to destroy the country but many of them had better sense in electing local officials.

 

Duke I love your posts. You are bat s*** crazy but as consistent as the day is long. This may be your greatest post ever. Which just goes to show how setting a bar low can have it's benefits. Your total lack of experience living and working in cities doesn't stop you. You can overlook and dismiss the fact that so many major corporations are headquartered in cities. You can ignore entire industries that are almost exclusively in major cities like banking and investing. You can ignore, as not being in a death spiral, Detroit. You clearly have not walked through great neighborhoods in Chicago like Lakeview. You can ignore the inconveniences of living in the suburbs such as needing to hop in your car and drive five minutes to pick up a gallon of milk, drive thirty minutes to find a decent restaurant, or needing to drive to the city for a decent museum, or major league sports team. And you can even take a swipe at Obama, hipsters, gang members, and yuppies.

 

I was entertained and fascinated. You really should be in show business, but that would require you moving from the farm into the scary city with hipsters, yuppies, and gangsters. Say hello to Andy and Opie for me.

[DukeNukeEm]

Tex, I only a couple of months ago left Chicago and Cook County for the first time in my life (except for college, but that doesn't really count).

[Texsox]

Makes the post even better.

[Quin]

Makes the post even better.

 

[Jake]

Hope you enjoy your time away from the city. It isn't for everyone, and it is always going to be tough to love your home if you haven't tried somewhere else. I've done the opposite, gone from the rural to city. Love it, though there are certainly things about home I miss. Now it's about the city being in the right place geographically...I miss winter so much

[Jenksismyhero]

I had to explain to a bunch of Charlestonian's why Chicago wasn't Detroit after this story popped up last week. They seemed amazed when I told them all of this violence is basically centered in two small areas of the city, well away from the real $$. I also explained how it was my belief that the mayor, city council, county board, etc. are all "in" on never actually attacking this problem because if they did the violence would spread into more desirable places in the city, and then we really would end up like Detroit. People/businesses would leave for the burbs and the City would die.

 

I still say call the national guard in with shoot to kill orders. That's the only way you stop this cycle of violence.

[Kyyle23]

I had to explain to a bunch of Charlestonian's why Chicago wasn't Detroit after this story popped up last week. They seemed amazed when I told them all of this violence is basically centered in two small areas of the city, well away from the real $$. I also explained how it was my belief that the mayor, city council, county board, etc. are all "in" on never actually attacking this problem because if they did the violence would spread into more desirable places in the city, and then we really would end up like Detroit. People/businesses would leave for the burbs and the City would die.

 

I still say call the national guard in with shoot to kill orders. That's the only way you stop this cycle of violence.

 

I read that first sentence as "i had to explain to a bunch of Charlatans...." and started laughing

[pettie4sox]

I had to explain to a bunch of Charlestonian's why Chicago wasn't Detroit after this story popped up last week. They seemed amazed when I told them all of this violence is basically centered in two small areas of the city, well away from the real $$. I also explained how it was my belief that the mayor, city council, county board, etc. are all "in" on never actually attacking this problem because if they did the violence would spread into more desirable places in the city, and then we really would end up like Detroit. People/businesses would leave for the burbs and the City would die.

 

I still say call the national guard in with shoot to kill orders. That's the only way you stop this cycle of violence.

 

O_O

 

Are you trolling?

[Jenksismyhero]

O_O

 

Are you trolling?

 

Not at all. At some point the community has to take back the streets or this stuff continues. CPD can't/won't handle that type of job, so call up the reserves to do it.

[Texsox]

I nkow we have a aversion to having the military attcking our own people, but at some point Jenk's point becomes real. The point when the "bad guys" are better equiped and as organized as the police, what is the next step?

[Balta1701]

I nkow we have a aversion to having the military attcking our own people, but at some point Jenk's point becomes real. The point when the "bad guys" are better equiped and as organized as the police, what is the next step?

Disarm them.

[pettie4sox]

Not at all. At some point the community has to take back the streets or this stuff continues. CPD can't/won't handle that type of job, so call up the reserves to do it.

 

That will only cause a racial predicament. I would say you need tougher laws on gangs. Oh I dunno how about we consider them terrorists and slap them with whatever we can.

[Texsox]

Disarm them.

 

If we could disarm only the bad guys and leave guns in the hands of my Dear Aunt Sally who likes a fresh squirrel now and then, would that be ok?

[Harry Chappas]

I had to explain to a bunch of Charlestonian's why Chicago wasn't Detroit after this story popped up last week. They seemed amazed when I told them all of this violence is basically centered in two small areas of the city, well away from the real $$. I also explained how it was my belief that the mayor, city council, county board, etc. are all "in" on never actually attacking this problem because if they did the violence would spread into more desirable places in the city, and then we really would end up like Detroit. People/businesses would leave for the burbs and the City would die.

 

I still say call the national guard in with shoot to kill orders. That's the only way you stop this cycle of violence.

 

This is hitting all parts of the city. Not to the magnitude of the shooting last week.

 

If Rahm can get money from Obama, this all can be covered with a saturation of police coverage.

[Jenksismyhero]

Disarm them.

 

Too late for that.

[Jenksismyhero]

That will only cause a racial predicament. I would say you need tougher laws on gangs. Oh I dunno how about we consider them terrorists and slap them with whatever we can.

 

So would going after gangs. You'll have SS and Balta crying about institutional racism and disparate impact.

Edited September 23, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[Jenksismyhero]

This is hitting all parts of the city. Not to the magnitude of the shooting last week.

 

If Rahm can get money from Obama, this all can be covered with a saturation of police coverage.

 

Ah yes, the old "throw more money at the problem" angle that hasn't ever worked.

 

 

[Texsox]

So would going after gangs. You'll have SS and Balta crying about institutional racism and disparate impact.

And I would agree that is a reasonable concern. I see it down here when people want to "round up illegals". Here, 90% of the population is Hispanic, what the hell does an illegal look like? So when rounding up "gang members" do you grab suburban kids dressing like Eminem? Every black guy wearing a hoodie?

 

Bottom line, for me, you can't trample on innocent people's freedoms because they happen to fit a profile.