Marty34 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) Please, tell me then why you believe the quality of fundamental play on the field this year by the Chicago White Sox is at least "acceptable". I never said it was, but bad players don't play fundamentally sound baseball. Edited September 22, 2013 by Marty34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 06:22 PM) I never said it was, but bad players don't play fundamentally sound baseball. Except, apparently, in 2012 for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) Except, apparently, in 2012 for the White Sox. How were they in 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 06:27 PM) How were they in 2011? Almost as terrible as this year. Somehow, whoever it was that was coaching the team in 2012 did something right that was not done in 2011 and 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) WTF? The position player they needed to trade...they traded. Oh yeah, wait, this is another complaint about how they didn't release Alexei. Or the other Cuban... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. Edited September 23, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 12:43 AM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. No. Especially if you're parking at the UC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. Time to put you on the ignore list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:41 AM) Remind me what year that was again when Ozzie won 60? It must be nice when the non-performing employee get to decide whether he stays or not. Because there's a huge difference between 62-100 s***ty and 72-90 s***ty? Especially when the Sox actually dealt players away at the deadline this year as opposed to re-signing everybody in 2007 (except like Mackowiak and Iguchi). There has been an incredible amount of bad luck this year as well as some untimely injuries as well. The idea that Ventura just didn't try this year or perhaps even sat in his office hungover playing on his iPad is silly. By all accounts, the guy cares and works hard, and sometimes it doesn't happen. Many people here wanted Tom Kelly brought in to manage the Sox at one time or another, yet he lost at least 92 games 4 straight years 1997 through 2000. No one ever questioned his ability to prepare the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. Not unless somebody from Soxtalk recognized you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) No one ever questioned his ability to prepare the team. Did Tom Kelly ever have a team with substantial numbers of veterans play this sloppy? Did he ever have veterans whose play deteriorated this rapidly from solid to sloppy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. Is this is a serious question? Why would you get mugged? The "dangerous" Chicago is so overblown. It's only like 3 neighborhoods and it's between gang members. The media lies and says gun violence instead of gang violence and people like you think you can't make it to a Bulls game. Oh boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 08:22 AM) Did Tom Kelly ever have a team with substantial numbers of veterans play this sloppy? Did he ever have veterans whose play deteriorated this rapidly from solid to sloppy? In 1992, they went 90-72 and had a team that played pretty well overall In 1993, they went 71-91 and the only signficant piece they lost was John Smiley. He saw his veteran players perform far worse that year then they had in the past. Tom Kelly didn't have a winning season from 1993 through 2000. I'm actually with Marty on this one, I don't think anyone on the planet could have saved this team. At the end of the day, you prepare your team to the best of your abilities. These guys have made these plays in the past, so why is it suddenly on Ventura when Beckham or Ramirez can't field a grounder? That's like saying it's Ventura's fault when Konerko gets old or when Tyler Flowers strikes out. That's BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 08:24 AM) Is this is a serious question? Why would you get mugged? The "dangerous" Chicago is so overblown. It's only like 3 neighborhoods and it's between gang members. The media lies and says gun violence instead of gang violence and people like you think you can't make it to a Bulls game. Oh boy. Remember, the Bulls had the longest sellout streak in sports despite a guaranteed mugging on the way back to your car. Just part of the price of admission if you want to take your family to see Benny & the gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. You're totally gonna get mugged in the land of sprawling parking lots and new condos. That neighborhood is downright scary. They don't call it Chiraq for nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 10:24 AM) Remember, the Bulls had the longest sellout streak in sports despite a guaranteed mugging on the way back to your car. Just part of the price of admission if you want to take your family to see Benny & the gang. It's Benny & The Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kageman129 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 23, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) In 1992, they went 90-72 and had a team that played pretty well overall In 1993, they went 71-91 and the only signficant piece they lost was John Smiley. He saw his veteran players perform far worse that year then they had in the past. Tom Kelly didn't have a winning season from 1993 through 2000. I'm actually with Marty on this one, I don't think anyone on the planet could have saved this team. At the end of the day, you prepare your team to the best of your abilities. These guys have made these plays in the past, so why is it suddenly on Ventura when Beckham or Ramirez can't field a grounder? That's like saying it's Ventura's fault when Konerko gets old or when Tyler Flowers strikes out. That's BS. Boom. Lawyered. I agree 100%, Ventura is not to blame. Crappy play by the players is to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. p.s. To those of you who get mad when I bring up how expensive it is to go to a game, the current edition of ESPN the Mag has an article on best/worst franchises. The BEST FRANCHISES currently (Memphis Grizzlies is No. 1) are ones with very cheap season ticket prices and food prices. ESPN said surveys say AFFORDABILITY is huge now with fans. Fans don't want to be robbed at their sports venues. Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. Do you typically get mugged in parking lots of major sports venues? If so, maybe it has to do with what you're wearing or saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. There is a 100% chance that you will be mugged multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 01:16 PM) There is a 100% chance that you will be mugged multiple times. He will be mugged, they will give him his stuff back, and then mug him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 01:18 PM) He will be mugged, they will give him his stuff back, and then mug him again. That is just how they do it on the WEST SIDE!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 At the old stadium we had the best parking lot. It was small, on the north side of the stadium bertweena street and an autorepair place. The guy who ran the lot was a cop. We would pay an extra $5 for a quick out and he would start our cars for us and have us on the driveway, facing the street, and ready to go. That way we could mug a guy on the way out of the stadium and make a clean getaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 02:18 PM) At the old stadium we had the best parking lot. It was small, on the north side of the stadium bertweena street and an autorepair place. The guy who ran the lot was a cop. We would pay an extra $5 for a quick out and he would start our cars for us and have us on the driveway, facing the street, and ready to go. That way we could mug a guy on the way out of the stadium and make a clean getaway. Good idea getting the cops in on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 10:43 PM) Finally, I'll be at the United Center this year to watch Duke play Kansas in men's college basketball and Kentucky play Michigan State. I have to drive a car to the United Center and not take public transportation. Do you think a.) I'll be mugged or b.) my car will be damaged/stolen? I have to stay a while after the game waiting for a friend who works at the UC. Will I be mugged going back to my vehicle? Thank u for all the answers. A. Yes. You will be mugged, going back to your car which won't be there anyway because..... B. Sadly, your call will be stolen too. C. You might be raped too. D. Better you stay in Kansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) Good idea getting the cops in on it. They pointed out which guy to hit after seeing the wad he pulled out of his pocket to pay for parking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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