Marty34 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 5y/$90M for Hunter Pence I think is a precursor to how insane the money is going to be for the few worthwhile free-agents on the market. The Sox will be better off stying out of this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 05:48 PM) 5y/$90M for Hunter Pence I think is a precursor to how insane the money is going to be for the few worthwhile free-agents on the market. The Sox will be better off stying out of this market. Also goes to show they just can't give up De Aza for nothing this offseason just cause they didn't like his execution this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:48 PM) 5y/$90M for Hunter Pence I think is a precursor to how insane the money is going to be for the few worthwhile free-agents on the market. The Sox will be better off stying out of this market. I think the White Sox will be staying out of the top tier FA market period. Abreu, and some of the lesser free agent options sound the most realistic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 That De Aza is a terrific value and should be on the team next year unless we're blown away (highly doubtful) QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 06:50 PM) Also goes to show they just can't give up De Aza for nothing this offseason just cause they didn't like his execution this season. bing bing bing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) I think the White Sox will be staying out of the top tier FA market period. Abreu, and some of the lesser free agent options sound the most realistic to me. Yes, the second or third tier is usually where they hang, but I do think they make a run at McCann. BTW, is Bochy considered a good manager? I read Robin is horrible because guys like Rios and Alexei rarely got a day off. Pence has played ever game this year. Bochy must really be a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Also goes to show they just can't give up De Aza for nothing this offseason just cause they didn't like his execution this season. Yes, the addition by subtraction thing is all well and good, but I just can't see the Sox meeting these salary levels in free agency. McCann probably gets $70M+ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) Yes, the addition by subtraction thing is all well and good, but I just can't see the Sox meeting these salary levels in free agency. McCann probably gets $70M+ now. 70 is fine for McCann. Sox better be willing to pay that. His market will be limited with only the AL and Atlanta. Doubt it goes much higher than that. Edited September 28, 2013 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Pence was drafted in the 2nd round in 2004. Josh Fields, Tyler Lumdsen, Gio Gonzalez, Wes Whisler, and Donny Lucy were the Sox selections before Pence was off the board. Gio is a stud, but blaming draft position for the poor development in the Sox organization is a copout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The Pence signing means...uh...nothing. I don't think people realize where the Sox are right now. It's a terrible team that has little chance of even going .500 next year. The Sox just need to focus on acquiring as much young talent as possible, and once they get close to being good, then they can worry about signing guys like Pence or McCann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) The Pence signing means...uh...nothing. I don't think people realize where the Sox are right now. It's a terrible team that has little chance of even going .500 next year. The Sox just need to focus on acquiring as much young talent as possible, and once they get close to being good, then they can worry about signing guys like Pence or McCann. They will active in the free agent market by all indications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:13 PM) They will active in the free agent market by all indications. Active, as in, making token bids for some guys that won't ultimately sign with Sox, but they can tell the fans they tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) The Pence signing means...uh...nothing. I don't think people realize where the Sox are right now. It's a terrible team that has little chance of even going .500 next year. The Sox just need to focus on acquiring as much young talent as possible, and once they get close to being good, then they can worry about signing guys like Pence or McCann. Pretty much my view. The window isn't there yet. They need to make smart signings/trades that make sense in the long term. Hahn pretty much reinforced this yesterday talking about creating a sustainable organization for the future and how much money they will have for the draft and international spending. He noted not to expect quick fix band-aid signing and the possibility of lesser short term deals as stop-gaps while they wait for prospects. I think Abreu makes sense and perhaps McCann, but that's it for the big names and I'm okay with that. I'm prepared to wait a year or three while they put themselves in a better position to compete again. Edited September 28, 2013 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:13 PM) They will active in the free agent market by all indications. If the Pence contract is any indication of what the market will be like I doubt it and hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Blowing 70 mil on McCann would be a huge mistake. He's a complementary player who, much like Alexei, by themselves do not make a team markedly better. I really hope Hahn stays realistic and goes bargain hunting ala the Pirates. Patience Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Also goes to show they just can't give up De Aza for nothing this offseason just cause they didn't like his execution this season. I concur. I still don't get why everyone is so eager to dump him for a bag of balls. He has his shortcomings but definitely has value given his salary situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) I concur. I still don't get why everyone is so eager to dump him for a bag of balls. He has his shortcomings but definitely has value given his salary situation. I'll take your word for it. But that said, De Aza is a meathead of a player, and I really hope he's gone soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Also, Pence receiving $90 million is kind of ridiculous. He just set the market and it makes even less sense for the White Sox to jump in on premier players at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Wow that is crazy money for Hunter Pence. I bet someone gives Choo $100 million now and he's basically a platoon player. I think Sox look into Abreu and not much else. Hahn made it pretty clear yesterday that going nuts in free agency should not and will not be the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 12:28 PM) I'll take your word for it. But that said, De Aza is a meathead of a player, and I really hope he's gone soon. Can't disagree with either side of this discussion. IMO, if better options don't happen, we still need to get him the hell out of batting leadoff, and we need to give him ONE OF position to concentrate on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I don't think springing for a big ticket outfielder made sense anyway for next year. You want Viciedo, De Aza, and Garcia out there pretty much everyday. I don't think they really want to move Dayan to 1B while his bat is still a question mark. On the other hand, pretty much every other position on the team other than SS could quite easily be upgraded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 03:24 PM) I don't think springing for a big ticket outfielder made sense anyway for next year. You want Viciedo, De Aza, and Garcia out there pretty much everyday. I don't think they really want to move Dayan to 1B while his bat is still a question mark. On the other hand, pretty much every other position on the team other than SS could quite easily be upgraded. If they don't land Abreu, I would prefer to move Tank for another underachiever. Maybe Ike Davis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) If they don't land Abreu, I would prefer to move Tank for another underachiever. Maybe Ike Davis? Viciedo for Ike Davis? OMG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) Yes, the second or third tier is usually where they hang, but I do think they make a run at McCann. BTW, is Bochy considered a good manager? I read Robin is horrible because guys like Rios and Alexei rarely got a day off. Pence has played ever game this year. Bochy must really be a moron. One exception, whole body of work now invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) pretty much every other position on the team other than SS could quite easily be upgraded. how? with who? I agree Tank shouldn't go to first base. Do people think Avisail could play a better centerfield than De Aza? Tank in right and De Aza in left would be an improvement. Edited September 29, 2013 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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