2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Well shucks, I kinda wanted Pence. Great clubhouse guy who would have brought life to the clubhouse. A life that I think this clubhouse severely lacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Pence for 90 large validates my theory that General Managers are stupid. And I like Pence. They must have a printing press somewhere. Edited September 29, 2013 by oldsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 If the plan is to use 2014 as a 'developmental' type of season with the intention on going all in for 2015, perhaps signing McCann is not that bad of an idea after all. If they can lock him and Abreu up this winter and then make some other minor moves, I would be okay with that. I wouldn't be shocked if they threw Alexie's name out there as trade bait this winter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:03 PM) how? with who? I agree Tank shouldn't go to first base. Do people think Avisail could play a better centerfield than De Aza? Tank in right and De Aza in left would be an improvement. Personally, that's exactly the of I would try next year but no idea if they want to. If they want to do that though Avisail should have been told it a month ago so that he could really start working on seeing the ball in CF in warmups and in the games he played there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Pence for 90 large validates my theory that General Managers are stupid. And I like Pence. They must have a printing press somewhere. $600 million extra league wide per year next year sounds pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) I concur. I still don't get why everyone is so eager to dump him for a bag of balls. He has his shortcomings but definitely has value given his salary situation. Get as much as you can for De Aza, but I won't lose sleep over getting an A-ball player in return. I am so sick of De Aza, just dump him for whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The Pence deal actually isn't that bad. He should be a 4 WAR player for most of this deal, which is what he needs to be to be worth $18M a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 04:48 PM) Get as much as you can for De Aza, but I won't lose sleep over getting an A-ball player in return. I am so sick of De Aza, just dump him for whatever. Why even waste your time trading him? Just don't tender him and save yourself the effort if he is that worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) Why even waste your time trading him? Just don't tender him and save yourself the effort if he is that worthless. Because something is better than nothing? May as well try to trade him for something. I'm sure someone will think he is competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) Why even waste your time trading him? Just don't tender him and save yourself the effort if he is that worthless. Just a terrible idea. A completely unfocused silly season for him and he was still a solid hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 04:53 PM) Because something is better than nothing? May as well try to trade him for something. I'm sure someone will think he is competent. Getting an A-ball player is basically nothing. With two years of team control left, he still is competent enough to have value. A player like him is perfect for a rebuilding team. He can hit and was much better defensively in 2012, so he's not a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) Getting an A-ball player is basically nothing. With two years of team control left, he still is competent enough to have value. A player like him is perfect for a rebuilding team. He can hit and was much better defensively in 2012, so he's not a lost cause. Good, I hope other teams think he has value and think he become an average defensive CF. Let some other team find out if that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 06:08 PM) Good, I hope other teams think he has value and think he become an average defensive CF. Let some other team find out if that's true. Alex Rios without the contract or 2011 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) The most encouraging thing about de Aza's season is that he seems to have finally become a productive hitter vs LH pitching. He actually hit them better than righties. With the kind of free agent salaries that are likely to be paid this off season, he could be an affordable and serviceable Left fielder. He shouldn't be in CF, but he's more than adequate in Left. The problem is what to do with Viciedo. If Garcia can really play CF, then Viciedo's arm should play pretty well in RF. It shouldn't be that much of an adjustment for him to move from LF to RF. Unless Viciedo's hitting improves significantly, his bat doesn't play well at first base or DH. Moreover, Abreu may be there. Edited September 30, 2013 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I've always kind of envisioned De Aza as being part of the team when they climb out of this little valley (maybe abyss is the better word) they're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Except for the poor base running, de Aza was not the biggest problem for the Sox this year. If a guy like Pence is worth $18 million a year, de Aza is worth whatever arbitration grants him. He may not be that great, but his production is decent for the money he'll cost. There are bigger problems to fix on this team. Sign Abreu, trade Alexei for salary relief and give Semien a shot at SS. Find a catcher who can be a little productive, and someone to hit for Gillaspie, vs. lefties. Sit Dunn vs lefties, as well. All those things are more important than getting rid of de Aza, and his modest contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 De Aza's faults are correctable and that's a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 11:15 PM) De Aza's faults are correctable and that's a good thing You can't fix stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 11:20 PM) You can't fix stupid. No, you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 10:59 PM) Just a terrible idea. A completely unfocused silly season for him and he was still a solid hitter. Thing is, at this stage of his career why would he be unfocused? He's just starting his career; he should be so happy to be playing MLB. QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 04:15 AM) De Aza's faults are correctable and that's a good thing I don't think you can become a good baserunner. I think he's so bad at that part of the game, that in itself is enough to dump him for anything you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 10:58 PM) Thing is, at this stage of his career why would he be unfocused? He's just starting his career; he should be so happy to be playing MLB. I wouldn't say he is just starting his career. He has been in the majors for parts of 6 years, and he will be 30 in April. His career is halfway done, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 For various reasons, not the least of which, it was a waste of time, I really didn't watch that many games this year. It's hard to get a good sense of just how bad de Aza's base running was, from the box scores. How bad was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 29, 2013 -> 10:38 PM) No, you can't. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 You guys do realize Pence just had a great season, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) De Aza works out to be an average Major Leaguer. Look at his numbers -- this year is no different. An average Major Leaguer at arbitration price on a team with 100 losses is nothing to shake a stick at. You guys are crazy. Edited September 30, 2013 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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