southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) I would be more than a little Angry if the white sox do not spend $100 million this offseason given that they knocked their payroll down below $50 million right now. In all honesty, if they really think things are as bad for the franchise as the fans do, it would be absolutely stupid to give out long term contracts to players who won't be contributing 4 to 5 years down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) I would be more than a little Angry if the white sox do not spend $100 million this offseason given that they knocked their payroll down below $50 million right now. Honestly, I think the only two guys that make a lot of sense for the Sox right now are Abreu and McCann (or maybe Saltalamacchia). I think the most I go is probably 7/$70 for Abreu, 4/$60 for McCann, and 4/$40 for Saltalamacchia. Really, if they don't get 2 out of those 3, can you really find anybody that they should spend signficant money on over the course of mulitple years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) Honestly, I think the only two guys that make a lot of sense for the Sox right now are Abreu and McCann (or maybe Saltalamacchia). I think the most I go is probably 7/$70 for Abreu, 4/$60 for McCann, and 4/$40 for Saltalamacchia. Really, if they don't get 2 out of those 3, can you really find anybody that they should spend signficant money on over the course of mulitple years? Anyone who can hit and get on base, and actually run the bases with a Pony League IQ, makes sense for the White Sox. If anyone goes with trends, unless they are in a total rebuild, usually went the Sox have a season as dissappointing as this, they snap back the next year with a decent team. 1977,1985, (1987-1989 total rebuild) 1996,2000,2008. They have to speed up the process when they have a guy like Sale in place. It would be silly having him on the roster for 3 or 4 more meaningless seasons and not just because he might get injured, but because any and all pitchers might get injured. 3 or 4 or 5 years from now, it's possible he tails off. Edited October 1, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) Anyone who can hit and get on base, and actually run the bases with a Pony League IQ, makes sense for the White Sox. If anyone goes with trends, unless they are in a total rebuild, usually went the Sox have a season as dissappointing as this, they snap back the next year with a decent team. 1977,1985, (1987-1989 total rebuild) 1996,2000,2008. They have to speed up the process when they have a guy like Sale in place. It would be silly having him on the roster for 3 or 4 more meaningless seasons and not just because he might get injured, but because any and all pitchers might get injured. 3 or 4 or 5 years from now, it's possible he tails off. I understand and generally agree with this. What I'm saying is that, when looking at this list, who are you going to commit significant money to long term? (and keep in mind that the list is a little outdated as both Pence and Utley have signed extensions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) I understand and generally agree with this. What I'm saying is that, when looking at this list, who are you going to commit significant money to long term? (and keep in mind that the list is a little outdated as both Pence and Utley have signed extensions) [speaking in generalities means never having to be pinned down to details that you could be wrong about] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) I understand and generally agree with this. What I'm saying is that, when looking at this list, who are you going to commit significant money to long term? (and keep in mind that the list is a little outdated as both Pence and Utley have signed extensions) McCann and Abreu would be the targets. If failed, Hart, Granderson, Morales, Morse, Choo, maybe Salty, and even DeJesus are guys I would consider signing. I would also ask Cooper about the pitchers. It could be the Sox have to trade pitching to get hitting, so they could sign a pitcher or 2, although that could get very risky. I think the top 5 ERA teams in the AL made the playoffs and the 6 NL playoff teams in the NL were in the top 7. Edited October 1, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I quietly hope and pray that Rick Porcello gets non-tendered, as he'd be a great candidate to pick up. Edinson Volquez is another that would be worth a flyer on about a non-guaranteed contract, and Shaun Marcum would be a solid pick up too on a minor league deal, so long as he proves he's healthy. In fact, I bet the Pirates will sign Edinson Volquez next year. I will bet 2 internet dollars on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) I quietly hope and pray that Rick Porcello gets non-tendered, as he'd be a great candidate to pick up. Edinson Volquez is another that would be worth a flyer on about a non-guaranteed contract, and Shaun Marcum would be a solid pick up too on a minor league deal, so long as he proves he's healthy. In fact, I bet the Pirates will sign Edinson Volquez next year. I will bet 2 internet dollars on it I hope the Tigers keep Rick Porcello. It makes them a worse team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) I quietly hope and pray that Rick Porcello gets non-tendered, as he'd be a great candidate to pick up. Edinson Volquez is another that would be worth a flyer on about a non-guaranteed contract, and Shaun Marcum would be a solid pick up too on a minor league deal, so long as he proves he's healthy. In fact, I bet the Pirates will sign Edinson Volquez next year. I will bet 2 internet dollars on it Deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 12:19 PM) I hope the Tigers keep Rick Porcello. It makes them a worse team. Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half splits and peripherals 1st: .271/.308/.400/.708, 7.25 K/9, 1.72 BB/9, 1 HR/9, 57.3 GB%, 22.7 FB%, 3.51 FIP 2nd: .263/.322/.388/.710, 7.18 K/9, 2.67 BB/9, 0.81 HR/9, 52.6 GB%, 25 FB%, 3.55 FIP And here are Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half ERAs 1st: 4.80 ERA 2nd: 3.71 ERA So, what you are telling me is that you believe a strong sinker ball pitcher who strikes guys out makes his team worse because he got unlucky in the 1st half of the year. They won't get tired of him, and they will retain him, and he is probably going to be their 4th or 5th best starter, and if you could somehow transplant him to the White Sox pitching staff, he'd be, minimum, the 3rd best starting pitcher they have and could easily be the 2nd best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half splits and peripherals 1st: .271/.308/.400/.708, 7.25 K/9, 1.72 BB/9, 1 HR/9, 57.3 GB%, 22.7 FB%, 3.51 FIP 2nd: .263/.322/.388/.710, 7.18 K/9, 2.67 BB/9, 0.81 HR/9, 52.6 GB%, 25 FB%, 3.55 FIP And here are Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half ERAs 1st: 4.80 ERA 2nd: 3.71 ERA So, what you are telling me is that you believe a strong sinker ball pitcher who strikes guys out makes his team worse because he got unlucky in the 1st half of the year. They won't get tired of him, and they will retain him, and he is probably going to be their 4th or 5th best starter, and if you could somehow transplant him to the White Sox pitching staff, he'd be, minimum, the 3rd best starting pitcher they have and could easily be the 2nd best. Yeah, well, if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a stinky pig, so ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVVY18 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I didn't read most of that back and forth pissing match, but my highlights were: The 1983 Throwback Uniforms....just love those. Went to a couple of Kids Day Sunday games and my kids both got many autographs and had a blast at the Cell. Much of the rest was forgettable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 09:07 PM) It seems like both the Indians and the Red Sox went from worst (or close t worst) in the al this year. It's happened 11 times in baseball history, obviously more frequently since the leagues began splitting into divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 11:06 AM) I quietly hope and pray that Rick Porcello gets non-tendered, as he'd be a great candidate to pick up. Edinson Volquez is another that would be worth a flyer on about a non-guaranteed contract, and Shaun Marcum would be a solid pick up too on a minor league deal, so long as he proves he's healthy. In fact, I bet the Pirates will sign Edinson Volquez next year. I will bet 2 internet dollars on it QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) Deal SHOULD HAVE BET MORE INTERNET DOLLARS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 10:36 PM) SHOULD HAVE BET MORE INTERNET DOLLARS How many internet dollars is a bitcoin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 10:51 PM) How many internet dollars is a bitcoin? Atleast 1,000. I have a ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 10:36 PM) SHOULD HAVE BET MORE INTERNET DOLLARS [internets shamed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Best moment of 2013... The first game of the season. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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