southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:28 PM) I plan on playing next year too Wanna hit clean up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:41 PM) Wanna hit clean up? I was thinking about it. Do you think they'd let me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 People actually suggesting signing Grady Sizemore and playing over De Aza or Viciedo is just a horrendous idea. I don't know where to even begin of how much I hate that Idea I'm sorry. Guys, we cannot give up on Viciedo just yet. He will be JUST 24 next season. Hitters take more time than pitchers obviously so I still think we have to give him at least 2-3 more years. And I wouldn't mind that if it was DHing and playing LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I still see Viciedo as a potential 275/35/100 guy with an OBP around 330. In this era, that's a real valuable player. He did hit 25 homers as a 23 year old in his first full season. He's the type of player you try to acquire in a rebuild and we already have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) I still see Viciedo as a potential 275/35/100 guy with an OBP around 330. In this era, that's a real valuable player. He did hit 25 homers as a 23 year old in his first full season. He's the type of player you try to acquire in a rebuild and we already have him. Nelson Cruz was 27 when he finally saw the switch. That is the thing with hitters - it's almost more rare that you see a gradual increase, but instead you just see the flip switch on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) I still see Viciedo as a potential 275/35/100 guy with an OBP around 330. In this era, that's a real valuable player. He did hit 25 homers as a 23 year old in his first full season. He's the type of player you try to acquire in a rebuild and we already have him. Thank you. This is exactly what I think. This is what we're expecting out of Avi Garcia, just not that much in the power categories. Kids like Viciedo, you don't just give up on kids this young with this much potential. Everyone saw by trading Chris Davis and Tommy Hinter for 1 year of Uehera bit the Rangers in the butt big time. Hitters can figure it out later in their career at 27-29. Viciedo will be 24. Everyone of his doubters needs to relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:56 PM) Nelson Cruz was 27 when he finally saw the switch. That is the thing with hitters - it's almost more rare that you see a gradual increase, but instead you just see the flip switch on. I completely agree with you. Glad you have some sense rather than giving up on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) I was thinking about it. Do you think they'd let me? Are you injured, old, and left handed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:04 PM) Are you injured, old, and left handed? Unfortunately, I am healthy, young, and right handed. I do suck if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:17 PM) Unfortunately, I am healthy, young, and right handed. I do suck if that helps. Can you chase a slider out of the zone with reckless abandon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:34 PM) Can you chase a slider out of the zone with reckless abandon? I'll make Juan Uribe look like Frank Thomas with my discipline. Not only do I swing at low and away sliders, I also chase 53 foot curveballs, I'm way ahead of changeups, way behind fastballs, and will roll over every sinker thrown to me. I do hit underhand pitches very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:48 PM) I'll make Juan Uribe look like Frank Thomas with my discipline. Not only do I swing at low and away sliders, I also chase 53 foot curveballs, I'm way ahead of changeups, way behind fastballs, and will roll over every sinker thrown to me. I do hit underhand pitches very well. Interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 04:48 PM) I'll make Juan Uribe look like Frank Thomas with my discipline. Not only do I swing at low and away sliders, I also chase 53 foot curveballs, I'm way ahead of changeups, way behind fastballs, and will roll over every sinker thrown to me. I do hit underhand pitches very well. Hello, Vladimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 11:00 PM) Thank you. This is exactly what I think. This is what we're expecting out of Avi Garcia, just not that much in the power categories. Kids like Viciedo, you don't just give up on kids this young with this much potential. Everyone saw by trading Chris Davis and Tommy Hinter for 1 year of Uehera bit the Rangers in the butt big time. Hitters can figure it out later in their career at 27-29. Viciedo will be 24. Everyone of his doubters needs to relax As far as Viciedo, give him one more year with the new hitting coach. But you can wait on a guy too long, like Beckham. He's an average baseball player and Sox have given him every opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 01:15 AM) As far as Viciedo, give him one more year with the new hitting coach. But you can wait on a guy too long, like Beckham. He's an average baseball player and Sox have given him every opportunity. I think when a guy explodes onto the scene like Gordon did that garners him some extra time to get back to what he's capable of....Sadly for Gordon he just never really got there....I can see a line of thinking where he actually gets another year. He looked like old Gordon before he got bit by the injury bug so it's plausible to think he might get back to that point after a whole offseason for that wrist to heal all the way. I'm not sure if I'm behind this line of thinking, esp with Semien potentially ready to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2013 -> 06:56 PM) Nelson Cruz was 27 when he finally saw the switch. That is the thing with hitters - it's almost more rare that you see a gradual increase, but instead you just see the flip switch on. To be fair...you shouldn't cite guys whose switch came in the shape of a needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:10 AM) To be fair...you shouldn't cite guys whose switch came in the shape of a needle. I think you are absolutely correct. But one thing that really makes me wonder PED-wise, except for Clemens, pitchers have totally gotten a pass as users, and I am sure their percentage of cheaters is just as high as hitters. Andy Petite admitted he cheated, but he isn't vilified like a hitter of his status doing the same thing. So while juiced up hitters where allegedly padding their stats juicing, they were doing it against guys who also were using the same stuff. Pitchers having abnormal jumps in performance aren't nearly as scrutinized as hitters. Edited October 11, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 08:10 AM) To be fair...you shouldn't cite guys whose switch came in the shape of a needle. There are about 50-100 other examples. Hitters do have a tendency to just find their stroke and explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2013 -> 10:04 AM) There are about 50-100 other examples. Hitters do have a tendency to just find their stroke and explode. Which is why it shouldn't be that hard to avoid "guys who just served 50 game suspensions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Jose Bautista would seem to be another example of someone who just exploded at around age 30 after having early success as a prospect and then floundering. Michael Morse. Domonic Brown and Alvarez this year, along with Chris Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Morse was busted for PEDs, and I know you know that caulfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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