Make your arguments why Ventura isn't like Baker?

[witesoxfan]

Who was that on the Reds lineup and where in the lineup did he hit?

 

Todd Frazier hit 6th. Frazier wasn't much better, but he was definitely better. Phillips was roughly equivalent to Beckham this year at the plate. Could you imagnie Ventura batting Beckham cleanup for the sole purpose of breaking up two lefties?

[Balta1701]

Todd Frazier hit 6th. Frazier wasn't much better, but he was definitely better. Phillips was roughly equivalent to Beckham this year at the plate. Could you imagnie Ventura batting Beckham cleanup for the sole purpose of breaking up two lefties?

Yes.

[witesoxfan]

Yes.

 

 

I think you're crazy.

[GreenSox]

But he did have Shin-Soo Choo sacrifice bunt 3 times this year. He also batted Brandon Phillips cleanup in the playoffs between Votto and Bruce - after Brandon Phillips put up a .706 OPS this year.

Believe me, I don't want either one of them managing the White Sox.

I thought Hahn was from the new-breed of baseball thinkers.

[Balta1701]

I think you're crazy.

Jeff Keppinger batted 3rd 3 times and 4th twice.

[witesoxfan]

Jeff Keppinger batted 3rd 3 times and 4th twice.

 

Against lefties or righties?

[GreenSox]

I realize it was garbage time, but the manager would put the worst hitter on the team, L Garcia, at lead-off when he played.

Edited October 7, 2013 by GreenSox

[Chicago White Sox]

I realize it was garbage time, but the manager would put the worst hitter on the team, L Garcia, at lead-off when he played.

A classic Guillen move. If your regular leadoff hitter is out of the lineup, then you must bat your fastest player leadoff regardless of his ability to get on-base.

[witesoxfan]

It is worth asking whether he'd do that in the heat of a pennant race though. At that point of the year, he just wants to get a look at the guy. I agree, he probably should have hit 9th though.

[caulfield12]

A classic Guillen move. If your regular leadoff hitter is out of the lineup, then you must bat your fastest player leadoff regardless of his ability to get on-base.

 

See Juan Pierre leading the AL in outs.

[Balta1701]

Against lefties or righties?

Out of those games, 2 righty starters, 3 lefty starters.

[caulfield12]

Against lefties or righties?

 

And 2012 Jeff Keppinger, that's a different story.

 

Where did Maddon hit him that season when he was so effective? I bet it wasn't 3rd or 4th.

[Chicago White Sox]

It is worth asking whether he'd do that in the heat of a pennant race though. At that point of the year, he just wants to get a look at the guy. I agree, he probably should have hit 9th though.

Honestly, from what I've seen Ventura seems pretty old school with his decision-making. I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but I haven't seen many signs that he's using statistics or advanced logic when filling out a lineup card.

[ewokpelts]

First off, Dusty has been managing how many years? This is the first time I have ever seen that written as a problem, if it was, why would the Reds not only hire him, but give him an extension?

 

Where has the same things been said about Ventura other than by people on message boards who come to that conclusion by the 2 or 3 shots of him shown in the dugout per game?

 

I think this move was all about money. I think Reds ownership is thinking that point A to point B crap Krause used when he fired Collins. The article I read about cost of playoff tickets these days seems to me is going to put a lot of pressure on managers to avoid quick playoff departures. From what I read, a couple of these team could basically cover their entire payroll with a run to the WS just on playoff ticket sales alone.

playoff ticket sales are handled by MLB. Teams only get a cut of the money.

The real money is in media rights now.

 

 

As for baker, he sucks. That's why he got fired.

 

2010: swept by the phillies

 

2012: lost THREE GAMES IN A ROW AT HOME AFTER WINNING THE FIRST TWO ON THE ROAD. to a s***ty giants team.

 

2013: simply WATCHED as his starter got unglued by heckling fans. Proceeded to lose the one game playoff.

 

 

Need I say more?

 

[LittleHurt05]

playoff ticket sales are handled by MLB. Teams only get a cut of the money.

The real money is in media rights now.

 

 

As for baker, he sucks. That's why he got fired.

 

2010: swept by the phillies

 

2012: lost THREE GAMES IN A ROW AT HOME AFTER WINNING THE FIRST TWO ON THE ROAD. to a s***ty giants team.

 

2013: simply WATCHED as his starter got unglued by heckling fans. Proceeded to lose the one game playoff.

 

 

Need I say more?

 

They ended this season losing 5 in a row at home, two vs. the Mets and then swept by Pittsburgh. That's why they had to play the playoff game on the road.

[caulfield12]

playoff ticket sales are handled by MLB. Teams only get a cut of the money.

The real money is in media rights now.

 

 

As for baker, he sucks. That's why he got fired.

 

2010: swept by the phillies

 

2012: lost THREE GAMES IN A ROW AT HOME AFTER WINNING THE FIRST TWO ON THE ROAD. to a s***ty giants team.

 

2013: simply WATCHED as his starter got unglued by heckling fans. Proceeded to lose the one game playoff.

 

 

Need I say more?

 

 

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/1...yoff-tickets/3/

 

The five most expensive (in terms of premium over regular season prices) will surprise you.

 

 

5. Oakland, avg. $167 203% premium

4. Boston, avg. $329 227% premium

3. Cincy, avg. $150 234% premium

2. Pirates, avg. $322 532% premium

1. Indians, avg. $461 697% premium

 

The Reds and A's are also considered small market teams....so you can see the strategies for those ownership groups. The Indians and Pirates really gouged their fans, counting on making up revenue from the regular season from the pent up demand for playoff baseball tickets.

 

 

7. Tampa Bay Rays

> Premium: 185%

> Division Series avg. price: $154

 

 

Dodgers' tickets were only $14 more than Rays' tickets.

 

Cardinals, Braves and Tigers charged the lowest premiums vis a vis regular season ticket prices.

 

 

[ewokpelts]

If that's the case, that the Indians were charging the most and were going to bring in something like $20 million per game...then there would be some incentive to fire Francona, but surely that's not the scenario.

 

Likewise, unless the owner was Loria, it would have been nearly impossible for the Pirates to fire Hurdle even had they lost to the Reds (does the frustration of falling apart the two previous 2nd halves not get erased by breaking a two decade long playoff-less streak?).

 

Following your line of logic, the pressure would be on the small market managers (the A's and Rays would be two other teams that jump to mind right away)...and yet Joe Maddon's job right now is probably among the most secure in baseball.

 

Teams that are going to suffer financial setbacks if they get knocked out of the playoffs quickly without having had the opportunity to pocket all that additional revenue windfall.

 

On the flip side of the coin is Don Mattingly, who the feeling is in LA right now that if he doesn't advance to the NL Championship (and perhaps win it or at least look like a convincing manager in losing) that he will be fired, and the Dodgers are THE Evil Empire West right now, yes?

 

With the decision to walk Reed Johnson to face Craig Heyward in the rearview mirror...well, not even sure Ozzie Guillen at his worst would have done something that bone-headed.

 

Finally, there's not a better franchise model in existence than the Cardinals, despite trying to upset the apple cart in the beginning with the 2nd manager hired with ZERO previous professional experience in Matheny.

 

Rightly or wrongly, Ron Washington is going to be on the hottest seat of all beginning April, 2014.

Again, playoff revenue is SPLIT among the 10 teams AND the league. There's a reason jerry gets ALL ballpark revenues during the postseason. He put that in his lease with the state because you can't know for sure how much $$ the league will award the team for postseason play.

 

MLB "rents" each stadium and collects all ticket revenue. They determine a formula to distribute the money. Typically the division series games $ is spread out to all clubs, with the was teams getting some of the WS receipts.

[ewokpelts]

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/1...yoff-tickets/3/

 

The five most expensive (in terms of premium over regular season prices) will surprise you.

 

 

5. Oakland, avg. $167 203% premium

4. Boston, avg. $329 227% premium

3. Cincy, avg. $150 234% premium

2. Pirates, avg. $322 532% premium

1. Indians, avg. $461 697% premium

 

The Reds and A's are also considered small market teams....so you can see the strategies for those ownership groups. The Indians and Pirates really gouged their fans, counting on making up revenue from the regular season from the pent up demand for playoff baseball tickets.

 

 

7. Tampa Bay Rays

> Premium: 185%

> Division Series avg. price: $154

 

 

Dodgers' tickets were only $14 more than Rays' tickets.

 

Cardinals, Braves and Tigers charged the lowest premiums vis a vis regular season ticket prices.

Priced determined by MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

 

Also, not all teams have 50,000 seats like la or Atlanta. Those teams charge less due to larger capacities.

 

Pittsburgh had $20 standing room tix for the wild card and NLDS games.

[witesoxfan]

And 2012 Jeff Keppinger, that's a different story.

 

Where did Maddon hit him that season when he was so effective? I bet it wasn't 3rd or 4th.

 

He hit cleanup 22 times for Tampa in 2012 and started 19 times there.

 

Strange about him hitting Kep cleanup against righties though. That's silly. Maybe he would put Beckham there.

Edited October 9, 2013 by witesoxfan

[caulfield12]

He hit cleanup 19 times for Tampa in 2012.

 

Strange about him hitting Kep cleanup against righties though. That's silly. Maybe he would put Beckham there.

 

Tim or Gordon? Funny, same last names, picked around the same place in the first round, both major busts/disappointments.

[ewokpelts]

"Average price" is misleading as the premium sections skew the model. Pittsburgh has $20 standing room and $25 upper level seats.

 

You need to compare the prices to regular season tix at the price levels. Not as a whole.

Edited October 9, 2013 by ewokpelts

[caulfield12]

Priced determined by MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

 

Also, not all teams have 50,000 seats like la or Atlanta. Those teams charge less due to larger capacities.

 

Pittsburgh had $20 standing room tix for the wild card and NLDS games.

 

 

With Major League Baseball’s postseason set to start, fans of the 10 teams still in contention for a World Series title are scooping up tickets. But with a limited number of games and high demand, ticket buyers must pay a hefty premium for postseason seats.

 

TiqIQ determined how much the average postseason ticket costs, both in dollars and as a premium relative to regular season prices. On average, tickets for the National League Division Series are nearly twice as expensive as in the regular season. In the American League, they are more than two and a half times as costly. Tickets for a Cleveland Indians game during the Division Series cost nearly 700 percent more than the regular season.

 

The enthusiasm of a team’s fanbase, TiqIQ’s Jesse Lawrence explained, often drives up how much the team is able to charge in the postseason. Boston has some of the most fervent fans in sports, Lawrence said, which helps boost Fenway’s prices considerably. Adding to the demand, he noted, “It has been six years since Boston won the World Series. Fans are rushing back in, especially after last year, which was a disaster. Now, they’re one of the favorites to win the World Series. I think that level of enthusiasm has really driven up prices.”

 

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While baseball’s big names do not drive fans to games in the same way as in other sports, such as basketball, Lawrence noted that star players can still increase fan excitement and therefore ticket premiums for postseason baseball. Dodgers’ rookie outfielder Yasiel Puig’s meteoric rise to stardom has likely contributed to fans’ enthusiasm this season, Lawrence added.

 

A team’s fanbase will often pay a larger premium in the postseason when it has lacked success for a long time. The Pittsburgh Pirates last made the postseason 21 years ago, and fans will pay a massive premium to watch a postseason game. Cleveland, which has the highest premium in the postseason, hasn’t won a World Series since 1948.

 

While fans may be willing to pay these prices to watch their teams play postseason games, unfortunately, many won’t be able to go to the games. Under baseball’s current format, there are four Wild Card teams, yet only two will advance beyond the single-elimination game held in each league. Fans of the two teams hosting Wild Card games, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, will have to pay premiums of 281 percent and 427 percent, respectively, to attend these games.

 

While fan enthusiasm plays a major role in setting the ticket prices, the availability of seats is also an important factor. “It’s an issue of simple supply and demand,” explained Lawrence. “If you increase demand on top of constricted supply, prices go up.” Boston and Pittsburgh, two of the teams charging the highest average dollar amount for Division Series games, have fairly small stadiums, with a total capacity of under 40,000 seats each.

 

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Using data provided by TiqIQ, 24/7 Wall St. compared the premiums for the average Division Series ticket to that team’s regular season ticket price. All prices are as of October 1. Not all teams selling Division Series tickets will advance past their league’s Wild Card game to the next round. In addition, we reviewed stadium capacity, average home attendance, and win-loss records for the regular season, all obtained from ESPN. Previous postseason records came from baseball-reference.com. All price estimates are subject to change.

[caulfield12]

"Average price" is misleading as the premium sections skew the model. Pittsburgh has $20 standing room and $25 upper level seats.

 

You need to compare the prices to regular season tix at the price levels. Not as a whole.

 

 

Major League Baseball spokesman Matt Bourne said that the league recommends a series of postseason ticket percentage increases based on a team's regular-season ticket price. The teams themselves, however, are responsible for setting those ticket prices for the division and championship series. The league sets the World Series prices unilaterally.

[ewokpelts]

Major League Baseball spokesman Matt Bourne said that the league recommends a series of postseason ticket percentage increases based on a team's regular-season ticket price. The teams themselves, however, are responsible for setting those ticket prices for the division and championship series. The league sets the World Series prices unilaterally.

And this has what to do with the average price versus section by section.

 

Sox upper reserved seats for 2012 alds were $45. Regular cost was as high as $30. But scout seats were $300 in the alds, while they are $285 for regular season.

[knightni]

Ventura doesn't always overrule his pitching coach and wear out his staff.