Marty34 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I think one of the more interesting things this offseason will be trying to find out the trade value of Quintana. It's difficult to find a good match of a team with young hitters that needs a very good, cheap left-handed pitcher. My thinking is deal Quintana, back fill his rotation spot with a middling free-agent (Josh Johnson?) short-term and look at a long-term solution (Jeff Hoffman?) with the #3 pick. Any ideas as to what would be an acceptable return for Quintana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 A player in the situation that Kyle Seager is in. Young player, cost controlled, who is currently about a 3-5 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I'd rather trade Santiago... Quintana seems like he'll have more success in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:28 AM) I'd rather trade Santiago... Quintana seems like he'll have more success in the long run. Probably you are not alone in this feeling -- and thus Quintana would be expected to be much more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 We can always trade Quintana, and I am sure his trade value will never be higher. Then again, it signals that we plan on perpetual rebuilding, and there is no point is seeing this team until next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:40 AM) We can always trade Quintana, and I am sure his trade value will never be higher. Then again, it signals that we plan on perpetual rebuilding, and there is no point is seeing this team until next decade. How so? I't's dealing from a strength to fill a weakness or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) How so? I't's dealing from a strength to fill a weakness or two. Yea but you are dealing one of the two pitchers that are way above average. I understand your point but I guess I hope that some GM is in love with Hector's upside. Danks, Johnson and Rienzo could all be really really bad next year. Hector and Q too. Q is the surest bet behind Sale tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Our pitching depth is grossly overstated on this board. We should not be looking to trade Santiago or Q unless we bet blown away by an offer. You trade one, and a strength is no longer a strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) How so? I't's dealing from a strength to fill a weakness or two. Who is the number two starter waiting to fill his spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Our pitching depth is grossly overstated on this board. We should not be looking to trade Santiago or Q unless we bet blown away by an offer. You trade one, and a strength is no longer a strength. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I agree as well, but I don't mind shopping them. If you don't find the package you want, you don't trade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Who is the number two starter waiting to fill his spot? Jeff Hoffman, Ubaldo Jimenez, Matt Garza, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) Jeff Hoffman, Ubaldo Jimenez, Matt Garza, etc... You don't trade Peavy to sign Jimenez or Garza. Those guys would be terrible acquisitions, ESPECIALLY with the Sox ability to develop starting pitchers Edited October 23, 2013 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) You don't trade Peavy to sign Jimenez or Garza. Those guys would be terrible acquisitions, ESPECIALLY with the Sox ability to develop starting pitchers Would you rather sign a pitcher or two position players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Would you rather sign a pitcher or two position players? Two position players, every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Two position players, every time With the group of young starters the Sox have, I might rather deal Quintana and fill multiple positions, sign a free-agent starter and save an estimated $35-$40M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) With the group of young starters the Sox have, I might rather deal Quintana and fill multiple positions, sign a free-agent starter and save an estimated $35-$40M. I'm saying that I'm not going to sign either Jimenez or Garza and that I'd rather go into the year with Sale, Quintana/Santiago, Johnson, Danks, and Rienzo. Garza is a rather overrated pitcher who rates closer to a #3-4 starter than anything else and Ubaldo Jimenez has this tendency to throw incredibly well for about 15 starts at a time while following it up with 75 starts of pure s***. As I said already, I have no problem shopping Quintana or Santiago and if you don't get exactly what you want, you don't deal them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 10:57 AM) Our pitching depth is grossly overstated on this board. We should not be looking to trade Santiago or Q unless we bet blown away by an offer. You trade one, and a strength is no longer a strength. Personally I think you are grossly understating our pitching depth, and I think the right move, if available, could take advantage of that. It's a gamble but it's the kind of gamble I'd consider if I were in Hahns chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) Personally I think you are grossly understating our pitching depth, and I think the right move, if available, could take advantage of that. It's a gamble but it's the kind of gamble I'd consider if I were in Hahns chair. If they do trade a starter, I think it's more than likely they sign a free agent to compete for a spot in the rotation. I don't think it would be a big money guy, but a guy like Johnson could make some sense depending on health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) If they do trade a starter, I think it's more than likely they sign a free agent to compete for a spot in the rotation. I don't think it would be a big money guy, but a guy like Johnson could make some sense depending on health. If it were me again...if I traded a starter the guy I'd look to sign is Gavin Floyd. I think he's unlikely to be ready to pitch before mid-season and that gives the 2 rookies in the rotation plenty of time to see what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:02 PM) If they do trade a starter, I think it's more than likely they sign a free agent to compete for a spot in the rotation. I don't think it would be a big money guy, but a guy like Johnson could make some sense depending on health. I think Johnson is going to get paid more than we think he should. More realistic is probably a guy like Dan Haren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) If it were me again...if I traded a starter the guy I'd look to sign is Gavin Floyd. I think he's unlikely to be ready to pitch before mid-season and that gives the 2 rookies in the rotation plenty of time to see what they have. I believe they will work something out with Gavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) Personally I think you are grossly understating our pitching depth, and I think the right move, if available, could take advantage of that. It's a gamble but it's the kind of gamble I'd consider if I were in Hahns chair. Please explain where all this pitching depth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I'm cool with trading Quintana if they can't get a surefire offensive contributor for Santiago. I really like EJ, and think he could become that #2 by 2015 which is probably when the Sox become a more serious contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 It would take a ton to get me to trade Quintana if I'm Rick Hahn. We're talking about a 25 year left-handed starter who will be under team control for 5 more years coming off a 3.7 WAR season. I'd want a major league position player of similar value plus a top pitching propsect. I doubt anyone bites on that, but the point is I'd want to be overwhelmed to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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