southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 More at link http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/a-si...pact-potential/ Matt Eddy 40 Our League Top 20 Prospects coverage wrapped in mid-October, and beginning this week we’ll barrel full-speed into team-by-team Top 10s, beginning with the National League East. To preview coming attractions, we decided to compile a rough guide to the most bountiful farm systems—or at least those most likely to pay dividends in the near future—using the 2013 league prospect rankings as a guide. To arrive at a rough estimate of system strength, we assigned various weights to each organization’s prospects who appear on a League Top 20 Prospects list. Our simple accounting method is as follows: • One point for ranking as a league’s top batting or pitching prospect. • Four points for ranking as a league’s No. 1 prospect, with value descending by two-tenths of a point thereafter, so 3.8 points for ranking No. 2 on down to 0.2 points for ranking No. 20. • Five points for ranking in a Triple-A league; four points for Double-A; three points for high Class A; two points for low Class A; and one point for any of the six short-season leagues. • Two points for playing pitcher, catcher or shortstop; one point for playing second base, third base or outfield; no points for playing first base. • Players receive half-credit for their league’s star rating, so that a player in a five-star league such as the Florida State receives 2.5 points; a player in a one-star league such as the California receives 0.5 points. • Organizations do not receive double credit for having one prospect who ranks on two lists; only the player’s highest score is counted toward the total. This method rewards organizations for having players in close proximity to the majors who stand out in talented leagues and who play demanding positions. This way, we get a rough idea which systems have the highest probability of delivering premium talent in 2014 or ’15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 This will be without the inclusion of Avisail Garcia too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Moving on up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) Moving on up. Nowhere else to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) Nowhere else to go. They could have stagnated or gotten worse. The system has been on the rise for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) This will be without the inclusion of Avisail Garcia too. or Abreu, who is technically a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) They could have stagnated or gotten worse. The system has been on the rise for a while now. 24th out of 30 teams still very stagnate minor league system wise. Sox have been in the bottom 3rd in MLB for years. System cannot get much worse. Difference between 24th and 30th team in reality is very small. When Sox get to the 15th ranked system then we can talk about being on the rise. Next years #3 pick is huge for the future. Edited October 28, 2013 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) 24th out of 30 teams still very stagnate minor league system wise. Sox have been in the bottom 3rd in MLB for years. System cannot get much worse. Difference between 24th and 30th team in reality is very small. When Sox get to the 15th ranked system then we can talk about being on the rise. This is not including Avisail Garcia and Jose Abreu, as mentioned above. If they were included, it'd be top 15 simply due to their ceilings. The ratings have also never included Chris Sale nor Jose Quintana, both of whom have turned into very, very good pitchers. These rankings provide a reference and nothing more. People get far, far too concerned about where the Sox are ranked in these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) This is not including Avisail Garcia and Jose Abreu, as mentioned above. If they were included, it'd be top 15 simply due to their ceilings. Looks like they did include Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) Looks like they did include Garcia Oof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 That means they're breaking their own rules then, which makes these even more meaningless and arbitrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I wonder if this list assumes Jose Abreu to be our #1 prospect though, since he is not yet a major leaguer. In that case, we may be inflated right now. EDIT: Nevermind, I now see the team by team breakdowns. Edited October 28, 2013 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) I wonder if this list assumes Jose Abreu to be our #1 prospect though, since he is not yet a major leaguer. In that case, we may be inflated right now. Check the list of how the rankings were done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) Check the list of how the rankings were done. Damn that was fast, yes I see the list of our top 5 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) 24th out of 30 teams still very stagnate minor league system wise. Sox have been in the bottom 3rd in MLB for years. System cannot get much worse. Difference between 24th and 30th team in reality is very small. When Sox get to the 15th ranked system then we can talk about being on the rise. Next years #3 pick is huge for the future. If you look at their points system, you will see that they are closer to the 17th ranked team than the 26th - so what is "small" is the difference between teams in the teens and twenties. There is a bigger difference behind the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Sounds about right. Hopefully it breaks into the top 15 after the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) Sounds about right. Hopefully it breaks into the top 15 after the draft. We need some guys to have big bounceback years for that to happen when you factor in the graduates that we are going to have. Garcia, Johnson almost for sure. Good chance at Semien too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Just look at the Sox and compare what they're doing with their system and what they look like now compared to 2-3 years ago. Pay no mind to that number because it means nothing other than to mislead you. -They're signing amateur talent in Latin America again -They're keeping prospects rather than dealing them off -They've acquired, via trade, prospects to boost the system -They've signed MLB talent internationally It's improving. This isn't an overnight process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) Just look at the Sox and compare what they're doing with their system and what they look like now compared to 2-3 years ago. Pay no mind to that number because it means nothing other than to mislead you. -They're signing amateur talent in Latin America again -They're keeping prospects rather than dealing them off -They've acquired, via trade, prospects to boost the system -They've signed MLB talent internationally It's improving. This isn't an overnight process. Speaking of international, this list also doesn't include Micker Zapata Adolfo, or whatever this name is today. He was rated as high as the #2 prospect in LA when signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Speaking of international, this list also doesn't include Micker Zapata Adolfo, or whatever this name is today. He was rated as high as the #2 prospect in LA when signed. Actually he likely is included - he just isn't listed in their early Top 5. He could be below that, potentially. Hard to tell. BA will have their org top 10 lists out pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Has anyone done a study on minor league rankings and post season success? I'd be interested in the years before an appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) Actually he likely is included - he just isn't listed in their early Top 5. He could be below that, potentially. Hard to tell. BA will have their org top 10 lists out pretty soon. I'm not seeing it on their Top 20 lists. http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/leag...spects-index-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 In the end, farm system rankings are like attendance trophies. The only thing that really matters is that the Sox actually develop players who can help them win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Let's say you're starting a major league team and you get to pluck the braintrust from one team's farm system...who would you choose? Me, the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) MLbTR quick report: Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos is no stranger to the trade market. Early reports have already pegged Hank Conger and Chris Iannetta as potential trade targets for Toronto, and now Scott Merkin and Gregor Chisholm of MLB.com report that the Jays are targeting White Sox second baseman Gordon Beckham as well. Beckham, 27, hit .267/.322/.372 with a career-low five homers in a career-low 103 games this season. A broken hamate bone in his right hand cost him nearly two months of the 2013 campaign, which could have something to do with the decline in home runs. However, Beckham has never lived up to the hype that surrounded him after being selected with the eighth overall pick in the 2008 draft, slashing just .249/.314/.380 in 2,217 big league plate appearances. Beckham is eligible for arbitration for the second time this offseason, and MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects a raise from $2.9MM to $3.5MM. He is under team control through the 2015 season. Chisolm and Merkin go on to write that given the Jays' need to improve the rotation, it's possible that they could look to expand the deal to include a starting pitcher. The MLB.com duo notes that lefties Hector Santiago and John Danks are said to be available, also adding that the White Sox covet minor league right-handers Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman. That pair of former first-round picks seems to me to be too steep an asking price for the players that the Blue Jays are targeting, but Merkin and Chisholm feel that Chicago GM Rick Hahn would need to be overwhelmed to part with Beckham. Good. Negotiate from a position of strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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