Frank_Thomas Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Take it for what it's worth: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/tor/toront...p;vkey=news_tor Not sure if I'm on board of trading Beckham at this point, if the kid can stay healthy I think he puts it together next year. I really think trading him comes back and bites us, I really think GB is an all-star that needs to bust out. I also would be disappointed since I have his jersey. But if it did happen what would a package of GB/Danks or GB/Santiago net us. I assume most people would want Lawrie back As a start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 What a surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) Take it for what it's worth: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/tor/toront...p;vkey=news_tor Not sure if I'm on board of trading Beckham at this point, if the kid can stay healthy I think he puts it together next year. I really think trading him comes back and bites us, I really think GB is an all-star that needs to bust out. I also would be disappointed since I have his jersey. But if it did happen what would a package of GB/Danks or GB/Santiago net us. I assume most people would want Lawrie back As a start? Beckham can retire, as far as I'm concerned. He's a stopgap at this point. It's always possible he'll break out, but it's always possible ANYONE will break out. That doesn't mean you make sacrifices to hold your breath. I'd send all three of them for Lawrie and not think twice. Santiago is the only one with substantial value, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Beckham can retire, as far as I'm concerned. He's a stopgap at this point. It's always possible he'll break out, but it's always possible ANYONE will break out. That doesn't mean you make sacrifices to hold your breath. I'd send all three of them for Lawrie and not think twice. Santiago is the only one with substantial value, IMO. I don't disagree, but just curious as to why you would be so confident in Lawrie and so certain that Beckham won't ever come close to meeting his potential? I get it that Beckham has sucked for 4 years now, but Lawrie seems to be going down the same path... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) I don't disagree, but just curious as to why you would be so confident in Lawrie and so certain that Beckham won't ever come close to meeting his potential? I get it that Beckham has sucked for 4 years now, but Lawrie seems to be going down the same path... You're right, I just think Lawrie hasn't burnt out yet. He's how I felt about Beckham two years ago, haha. But maybe Jays fans feel the same about Lawrie. Watching guys rot in front of your eyes gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 11:48 AM) You're right, I just think Lawrie hasn't burnt out yet. He's how I felt about Beckham two years ago, haha. But maybe Jays fans feel the same about Lawrie. Watching guys rot in front of your eyes gets old. No, I get it...I think the odds of Lawrie reaching his potential are probably better than Gordon's. The longer they fail to, the more unlikely they actually pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I don't disagree, but just curious as to why you would be so confident in Lawrie and so certain that Beckham won't ever come close to meeting his potential? I get it that Beckham has sucked for 4 years now, but Lawrie seems to be going down the same path... If nothing else, Lawrie has 2 years less experience and it will cost less to have him fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) If nothing else, Lawrie has 2 years less experience and it will cost less to have him fail. Yeah, for sure. If they have such a hard-on for GB though, I'd rather try to get a piece out of them that hasn't failed yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Even Lawrie's worst season (this year), is better than every Beckham season except 2009. Also, is younger, and has two fewer seasons in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:43 PM) Beckham can retire, as far as I'm concerned. He's a stopgap at this point. It's always possible he'll break out, but it's always possible ANYONE will break out. That doesn't mean you make sacrifices to hold your breath. I'd send all three of them for Lawrie and not think twice. Santiago is the only one with substantial value, IMO. If you're sending over Danks, you're most likely picking up a lot of his contract, so now we lose 2 starting pitchers including a good young one and a Gordon Beckham and we're just getting another Gordon Beckham back? I don't understand that all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 If you're sending over Danks, you're most likely picking up a lot of his contract, so now we lose 2 starting pitchers including a good young one and a Gordon Beckham and we're just getting another Gordon Beckham back? I don't understand that all. I think we're all saying Lawrie is one piece in the return package. Certainly not the entire package and maybe not even the best piece. Also, there's no way the Sox are going to eat money on Danks' contract unless they're getting a really top notch prospect in return. Even with the Abreu signing the Sox are not hurting for funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I would listen, that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Toronto interested in a Sox pitcher who has already been injured. How could that possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Would really like to see Gordo moved, and Semien starting at 2B ASAP. Love ya' Slayer, but maybe a change of scenery is best for all. I won't be crushed, though, if we give him one last chance in the first half of 14. If we can move Danks without eating TOO much of the remaining contract, that would be a huge coup. BUT, I'd really like to see what Hector can do this offseason to improve his command and offspeed offerings and don't want him traded until at least then. Danks' value may increase dramatically with a couple upticks in velocity, too, so maybe patience is the best path. A little concerned, from reading the Coop tea leaves, that maybe the org isn't as high on Hector as many of us here are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 This was the most interesting line in the story. I've yet to see this said anywhere else. It's also possible that the Blue Jays would look to expand any deal involving Beckham to also include a starting pitcher. Chicago's Hector Santiago and John Danks are known to be available, and the Blue Jays have a clear need to upgrade their current starting unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Lawrie-Ramirez-Semien-Abreu That's an infield I can get on board with for 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 12:12 PM) This was the most interesting line in the story. I've yet to see this said anywhere else. It was also written that they are willing to move their payroll to $150 million or something. Maybe you end up ditching Danks' contract and give them Beckham for something reasonable, perhaps Lawrie, perhaps some prospect. I really don't know how high they remain on Lawrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) If you're sending over Danks, you're most likely picking up a lot of his contract, so now we lose 2 starting pitchers including a good young one and a Gordon Beckham and we're just getting another Gordon Beckham back? I don't understand that all. I would assume we'd take the cost savings from Danks and invest in a short-term reclamation project or two. Worst case, we definitely have the bodies to fill two spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:15 PM) Lawrie-Ramirez-Semien-Abreu That's an infield I can get on board with for 2014. Sign McCann and call it an offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) Sign McCann and call it an offseason. i'd be quite content with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I would definitely be on board with a Beckham and Danks for Lawrie +. I wouldn't know what the plus would be. Lesser prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 My biggest take away from this is the mentioning of Aaron Sanchez. I was skeptical of bucket as a legit source for whatever reason but this kinda, in a round about way adds some sort of validity to his post about the sox talking about Sanchez.....If the proposed deal is something like Q/Beckham(or more preferably Santiago/GB) for Lawrie/Sanchez and the Sox think Sanchez is a legit front of the rotation pitcher then I would be all over that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:15 PM) It was also written that they are willing to move their payroll to $150 million or something. Maybe you end up ditching Danks' contract and give them Beckham for something reasonable, perhaps Lawrie, perhaps some prospect. I really don't know how high they remain on Lawrie. Assuming a natural progression after his surgery, I don't think the Sox should be in a hurry to ditch Danks for cost savings. If someone wants to give us a nice offer for Danks that is one thing, but I really feel like he will be back to a mid-rotation starter this year. Even with his struggles last year, it wasn't the worst year ever. Get his fastball back to its 2010-2011 range, and the kid will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) I would definitely be on board with a Beckham and Danks for Lawrie +. I wouldn't know what the plus would be. Lesser prospects? Plus nothing. If the Jays eat all that salary and are still willing to give Lawrie, you take it and run with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) Plus nothing. If the Jays eat all that salary and are still willing to give Lawrie, you take it and run with it. I agree with you but i don't know if I could see Hahn doing that without getting some sort of pitching back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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