TheFutureIsNear Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Trade 1: White Sox trade Gordon Beckham, Hector Santiago, and Chris Beck to Dodgers for Andre Eithier. Why it makes sense to me: - Its no secret that LA has 1 too many OF'ers and Eithier seems to be the odd man out. - Beckham can play either 2b or 3b and both are positions of weakness for the Dodgers. Uribe, Schumaker, and Mark Ellis saw a lot of PT for them - Although hes been a bit of disappointment for us, Beckham is a good buy low option for a team like LA. - Santiago is a young, cost controlled SP who should excel in the NL west. Presents a very cheap #4 starter for the next 3-5 years. - Beck is a decent arm that could be a 5h/middle reliever in the near future. - Don't think I need to explain why Either is a good fit for us. Trade 2: Alexei Ramirez for David Freese -No need for me to ramble here. They need a SS and we need a 3B. Freese's down yeaer of .260/.340 is sadly a huge upgrade for us at 3b but he should be much better next year, especially at The Cell. Let me know what you guys think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Those are both god awful deals. Dodgers would be lucky if we just ate Ethier's entire contract. Alexei is leaps and bounds better than Freese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Holy crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) Trade 1: White Sox trade Gordon Beckham, Hector Santiago, and Chris Beck to Dodgers for Andre Eithier. Why it makes sense to me: - Its no secret that LA has 1 too many OF'ers and Eithier seems to be the odd man out. - Beckham can play either 2b or 3b and both are positions of weakness for the Dodgers. Uribe, Schumaker, and Mark Ellis saw a lot of PT for them - Although hes been a bit of disappointment for us, Beckham is a good buy low option for a team like LA. - Santiago is a young, cost controlled SP who should excel in the NL west. Presents a very cheap #4 starter for the next 3-5 years. - Beck is a decent arm that could be a 5h/middle reliever in the near future. - Don't think I need to explain why Either is a good fit for us. Trade 2: Alexei Ramirez for David Freese -No need for me to ramble here. They need a SS and we need a 3B. Freese's down yeaer of .260/.340 is sadly a huge upgrade for us at 3b but he should be much better next year, especially at The Cell. Let me know what you guys think.... Deal 1 is horrid. Deal 2 No. Edited October 31, 2013 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 1, 2013 -> 12:01 AM) Trade 1: White Sox trade Gordon Beckham, Hector Santiago, and Chris Beck to Dodgers for Andre Eithier. Why it makes sense to me: - Its no secret that LA has 1 too many OF'ers and Eithier seems to be the odd man out. - Beckham can play either 2b or 3b and both are positions of weakness for the Dodgers. Uribe, Schumaker, and Mark Ellis saw a lot of PT for them - Although hes been a bit of disappointment for us, Beckham is a good buy low option for a team like LA. - Santiago is a young, cost controlled SP who should excel in the NL west. Presents a very cheap #4 starter for the next 3-5 years. - Beck is a decent arm that could be a 5h/middle reliever in the near future. - Don't think I need to explain why Either is a good fit for us. Trade 2: Alexei Ramirez for David Freese -No need for me to ramble here. They need a SS and we need a 3B. Freese's down yeaer of .260/.340 is sadly a huge upgrade for us at 3b but he should be much better next year, especially at The Cell. Let me know what you guys think.... You are giving up too much in that first deal. i'd take Ethier for Beckham straight up. Or for Hector straight up. I'm much higher on Q than Santiago. Freese isn't a good player. Good idea on that one, though. I'd trade Lexi for a good hitting third baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 If the Sox were even entertaining the thought of trading for Ethier, which I can't imagine they would be, the conversation better start with the Dodgers paying at least half of that remaining contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 04:01 PM) Trade 1: White Sox trade Gordon Beckham, Hector Santiago, and Chris Beck to Dodgers for Andre Eithier. Why it makes sense to me: - Its no secret that LA has 1 too many OF'ers and Eithier seems to be the odd man out. - Beckham can play either 2b or 3b and both are positions of weakness for the Dodgers. Uribe, Schumaker, and Mark Ellis saw a lot of PT for them - Although hes been a bit of disappointment for us, Beckham is a good buy low option for a team like LA. - Santiago is a young, cost controlled SP who should excel in the NL west. Presents a very cheap #4 starter for the next 3-5 years. - Beck is a decent arm that could be a 5h/middle reliever in the near future. - Don't think I need to explain why Either is a good fit for us. Trade 2: Alexei Ramirez for David Freese -No need for me to ramble here. They need a SS and we need a 3B. Freese's down yeaer of .260/.340 is sadly a huge upgrade for us at 3b but he should be much better next year, especially at The Cell. Let me know what you guys think.... Welcome to Sox talk ! You can't talk about Ethier without talking about his contract and who picks up how much of it . We're not in a position to give away youth for a high contract . The other trade then who plays SS for the Sox ? And beleive it or not but Gillaspie was better than Freese last year and is younger and one of our few LH bats. Freese turns 31 in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:03 PM) Those are both god awful deals. Dodgers would be lucky if we just ate Ethier's entire contract. Alexei is leaps and bounds better than Freese. Freese for Alexei would be terrible. Freese had a bad year and a worse World Series. You don't trade to fill a hole and create another. Freese may be better than what we have for 3rd but then you would have to give up an asset to get another shortstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Not to mention Ethier's not an everyday CFer. Giving away Beck OR Santiago is way too much. Beckham, fine. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 How are Eithier and Freese not good players? Eithier is going to hit .280+/.350+ with 15-20 hr's and play a very solid LF. Not saying he's great or anything, but how is he bad? And how would he not represent a HUGE upgrade to our OF? Ramirez is bad by the way. Very good glove, but he can't get on base and has lost almost all of his power at this point. What use does he have offensively at this point? Less than 10 hr's and a OBP barely above .300 is pretty horrible. Freese presents a huge upgrade to our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) Welcome to Sox talk ! You can't talk about Ethier without talking about his contract and who picks up how much of it . We're not in a position to give away youth for a high contract . The other trade then who plays SS for the Sox ? And beleive it or not but Gillaspie was better than Freese last year and is younger and one of our few LH bats. Freese turns 31 in April. Gillaspe was only better than Freese if you think HR's are the only stat that matters. Because he literally didn't do anything else better. And you're also factoring in Freese's career worst year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) How are Eithier and Freese not good players? Eithier is going to hit .280+/.350+ with 15-20 hr's and play a very solid LF. Not saying he's great or anything, but how is he bad? And how would he not represent a HUGE upgrade to our OF? Ramirez is bad by the way. Very good glove, but he can't get on base and has lost almost all of his power at this point. What use does he have offensively at this point? Less than 10 hr's and a OBP barely above .300 is pretty horrible. Freese presents a huge upgrade to our lineup. Welcome to Soxtalk! Who would you have playing SS for the Sox? I wouldn't mind Freese. Eithier on the otherhand is too expensive. They would have to pay a lot of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) I'm not ready to give up on Tank in favor of Ethier. I suppose if a good trade came along for him(Dayan) I wouldn't mind him(Ethier) on the team so long as the Dodgers pick up a good deal of his contract. Not sure I'd give them Santiago though, and I'm iffy on Beck as well. Edited November 1, 2013 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 04:25 PM) Gillaspe was only better than Freese if you think HR's are the only stat that matters. Because he literally didn't do anything else better. And you're also factoring in Freese's career worst year. Gillaspie's WAR was better. His defense is better. not even close . His SLG % was better. He hit's righties better in a division full of RH starting pitching .He's 4 years younger with more upside than a 31 yr old coming off his worst season. And you are still not talking about Ethier's contract. He makes $17 M a year for the next 4 years ! That's the same as what the Sox just signed Abreu for but in 4 years as compared to 6 for Abreu and Abreu is 5/6 yrs younger. Ethier will be 32 in April . If everyone elses reaction to these "realistic" trades doesn't tell you something , I'll give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Glad you are not the GM. Santiago has more valuable then Ethier alone and adding another starter that has a chance to be in the rotation in 2 years is a bad idea. And David Freese sucks. Conor Gillaspie gives better numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The only possible deal I could see working for Either would be Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Just heard today Dodgers might be willing to give up Kemp or Crawford and go after Ellsbury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Just heard today Dodgers might be willing to give up Kemp or Crawford and go after Ellsbury. There's likely something seriously wrong with Kemp, and I'm not talking about his injuries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:34 PM) What a nice way to welcome a new member to Soxtalk. Edited November 1, 2013 by witesoxfan Quoted post was removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 08:04 PM) There's likely something seriously wrong with Kemp, and I'm not talking about his injuries... I personally can't stand the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 What a nice way to welcome a new member to Soxtalk. This isn't ESPN.com or the post-game call in show, homie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) How are Eithier and Freese not good players? Eithier is going to hit .280+/.350+ with 15-20 hr's and play a very solid LF. Not saying he's great or anything, but how is he bad? And how would he not represent a HUGE upgrade to our OF? Ramirez is bad by the way. Very good glove, but he can't get on base and has lost almost all of his power at this point. What use does he have offensively at this point? Less than 10 hr's and a OBP barely above .300 is pretty horrible. Freese presents a huge upgrade to our lineup. Ramirez is bad? 39 doubles and 30 sb's from a pretty elite fielder. Yeah, he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 That first deal is awful. That second deal isn't that bad, but I still wouldn't do it because Freese is a half-measure. No half-measures, Walter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 What is this infatuation with Andre Ethier? Hey look, a 32-year old platoon player who is still owed $70+ million!!! Where do I sign up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 1, 2013 -> 05:29 AM) What is this infatuation with Andre Ethier? Hey look, a 32-year old platoon player who is still owed $70+ million!!! Where do I sign up? Because he's a "name" player, just like Curtis Granderson. Now whether he's too expensive, too vulnerable to LH pitching and can't play CF regularly, well....those issues are not so important. That said, I would still trade him for Danks if the Dodgers sent us $20 million along with the deal (which they wouldn't do). The Dodgers also know they have 4 outfielders but that Kemp and Crawford struggled to stay healthy last year...so they're not exactly compelled to deal Ethier, Kemp or Josh Beckett, etc. Not unless they get the exact return they desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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