southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 07:42 AM) Or try to get more Springer/Singleton (offered to Dominguez and Grossman as well) "pre-service" contracts out there...of course, Boras is already onto the Astros and has been quoted extensively about this issue, and is Bryant's agent. The Cubs have another problem, waiting for Almora and Soler will put them into 2016 or 2017. There's no way they can afford to have a five plus year rebuild before they can arguably be competitive (and even then, it's not a given). They are in year 4 of rebuilding now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 26.3% K rate for Bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) 26.3% K rate for Bryant He's probably ready for AAA, but keeping him out of the majors at this point is justifiable, especially given that K rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 08:27 PM) Stupid Astros, why didn't they take Bryant #1 last year? Bryant seems to be one of the better hitting prospects in a long time. Yeah he's unbelievable right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I've been considering the Cubs strategy and I just have to laugh because it seemed to be the complete opposite from the White Sox. The Cubs went for three underslot guys in their first three picks, all are considered "safe" picks but not good value where they were selected. But that allowed them to take risky but very projectable high school talent in the following rounds, Carson Sands, Justin Steele, and Dylan Cease. The Sox seemed to go top heavy with their risky picks, Rodon at #3 overall, followed by Adams at #44. The next "risk" pick they had was Jake Jarvis, who seemed to have a pre-selection deal, since he signed almost immediately after being considered a tough sign. Thoughts? It will be interesting in a few years to see which strategy will work out better. If Schwarber and Stinnett reach the majors quickly and at least contribute and one of their lottery ticket high schoolers develop it could be a very nice draft for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) I've been considering the Cubs strategy and I just have to laugh because it seemed to be the complete opposite from the White Sox. The Cubs went for three underslot guys in their first three picks, all are considered "safe" picks but not good value where they were selected. But that allowed them to take risky but very projectable high school talent in the following rounds, Carson Sands, Justin Steele, and Dylan Cease. The Sox seemed to go top heavy with their risky picks, Rodon at #3 overall, followed by Adams at #44. The next "risk" pick they had was Jake Jarvis, who seemed to have a pre-selection deal, since he signed almost immediately after being considered a tough sign. Thoughts? It will be interesting in a few years to see which strategy will work out better. If Schwarber and Stinnett reach the majors quickly and at least contribute and one of their lottery ticket high schoolers develop it could be a very nice draft for them. It looks like Sox went out to grab a 9 and a 10 in the first couple rounds, and then balanced it out with some 1's and 2's later, where the Cubs brought in a bunch of 6's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 06:42 AM) Or try to get more Springer/Singleton (offered to Dominguez and Grossman as well) "pre-service" contracts out there...of course, Boras is already onto the Astros and has been quoted extensively about this issue, and is Bryant's agent. The Cubs have another problem, waiting for Almora and Soler will put them into 2016 or 2017. There's no way they can afford to have a five plus year rebuild before they can arguably be competitive (and even then, it's not a given). Soler's made of porcelain and Almora has little speed, less power, and thinks a walk is something for cooking Chinese food. He may be the most overrated prospect in anyone's top 100. Don't think they can afford to wait for the others - Baez and Bryant are the only real impact guys I see, we'll see about Schwarber. Due to a multitude of factors, I think they'll actually be "going for it" with the coming FA class. If he hasn't signed by season's end in Boston, I'm predicting they'll get Lester, and they'll add a veteran bat as well, though maybe not a super-expensive one. Edited June 10, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) It looks like Sox went out to grab a 9 and a 10 in the first couple rounds, and then balanced it out with some 1's and 2's later, where the Cubs brought in a bunch of 6's. If the Cubs strategy of drafting last week ends up paying off with more MLB production, then good for them...they earned it. It's a risky strategy they took, and I will never bash the Sox for the strategy they took in taking Rodon, Adams and then mostly filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 And there's an outside chance the Sox sign Montes de Oca. I'll take the Sox strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) It looks like Sox went out to grab a 9 and a 10 in the first couple rounds, and then balanced it out with some 1's and 2's later, where the Cubs brought in a bunch of 6's. The kids they took round 4-6 were all highly rated, just fell to signability concerns. I've always been a BPA guy, but they could look smart by playing the system and spreading the wealth around. With that being said, I think they would of sprinted to the podium to take Rodon if he was available. Which means they almost had to have two different big boards based on how their 1st pick was going to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) And there's an outside chance the Sox sign Montes de Oca. I'll take the Sox strategy If we get sign Rodon, Adams, and Montes de Oca this draft would be a fantastic influx of talent that balanced risk and projection, IMO. Edited June 10, 2014 by southside hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Jonathan Mayo @JonathanMayoB3 2m As @CarrieMuskat reported @KyleSchwarber's $3.125 mil bonus, savings allows @Cubs to use almost $1.5 mil elsewhere in top 10 rds @MLBDraft Cubs sign Schwarber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 How many of those five young "tough/questionable sign" arms can the Cubs realistically bring into the fold? 2? 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 11:24 AM) How many of those five young "tough/questionable sign" arms can the Cubs realistically bring into the fold? 2? 3? Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 13m That order, but I bet all 3. @FantasyRundown: Of Sands, Steele, and Cease...rank them in terms of most likely signed by @Cubs? @MLBDraft I know those are the big three, not sure who the other two tough signs are. Didn't follow their draft that closely. Edited June 11, 2014 by southside hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 10:32 AM) Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 13m That order, but I bet all 3. @FantasyRundown: Of Sands, Steele, and Cease...rank them in terms of most likely signed by @Cubs? @MLBDraft I know those are the big three, not sure who the other two tough signs are. Didn't follow their draft that closely. to join a trio of college aces -- St. Louis right-hander James Norwood (seventh), Oregon lefty Tommy Thorpe (eighth) and Arizona righty James Farris (ninth). Norwood's very highly-regarded by a lot of respected baseball people. You can understand why many ranked the Cubs and White Sox at B+, but for totally different reasons/strategies. So, in total, there are six pitchers to track pretty closely with that particular draft class. Edited June 11, 2014 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) Jonathan Mayo @JonathanMayoB3 2m As @CarrieMuskat reported @KyleSchwarber's $3.125 mil bonus, savings allows @Cubs to use almost $1.5 mil elsewhere in top 10 rds @MLBDraft Cubs sign Schwarber. With that kind of a number, I have no idea why the Cubs didn't take more HS players, such as De Oca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Ah the talk of the Cubs signing Lester and Masterson next offseason is already beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 09:59 PM) Ah the talk of the Cubs signing Lester and Masterson next offseason is already beginning. Not surprising at all. I bet they get one of them. The funny thing is they've done an incredible job the last few years of signing pitchers to 1-year deals (Maholm, Feldman, Hammel). It's the long-term Jackson deal that has overshadowed those moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) Ah the talk of the Cubs signing Lester and Masterson next offseason is already beginning. I hope it is an expensive and long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 10:20 PM) I hope it is an expensive and long term deal. Theo talked last offseason about not paying for what people have done in the past, but what they project to do in the future. Masterson losing his velocity seems like someone he would want to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) Theo talked last offseason about not paying for what people have done in the past, but what they project to do in the future. Masterson losing his velocity seems like someone he would want to avoid. Lester has lost a bit of velocity this year too. Besides, if they want to give a 31 year old a monster contract, I'm not going to upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) Theo talked last offseason about not paying for what people have done in the past, but what they project to do in the future. Masterson losing his velocity seems like someone he would want to avoid. Then they can keep rebuilding. Its a win/win as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) Theo talked last offseason about not paying for what people have done in the past, but what they project to do in the future. Masterson losing his velocity seems like someone he would want to avoid. Then he's not gonna sign any big free agents, because that's how free agency works with the top players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Arrieta has been a pretty savvy acquisition as well, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 05:57 PM) Arrieta has been a pretty savvy acquisition as well, FWIW. Huh? He had a nice start last time out. Most of the time he has no idea where any of his pitches are headed. Fip will catch up to his ERA any day now. Edited June 12, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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