spann?

[mataipaepae]

apparently washington is willing to listen to offers for him. left handed hitting center fielder that can leadoff and steal bases. seems like what we are looking for. and is only 29.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/nati...enard-span.html

 

Nationals Willing To Listen To Offers On Denard Span

By Jeff Todd [November 9, 2013 at 12:20pm CST]

Officials of competing clubs say that the Nationals appear willing to listen to offers on center fielder Denard Span, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The 29-year-old came to Washington via trade from the Twins, who received pitching prospect Alex Meyer in the deal.

[caulfield12]

apparently washington is willing to listen to offers for him. left handed hitting center fielder that can leadoff and steal bases. seems like what we are looking for. and is only 29.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/nati...enard-span.html

 

Nationals Willing To Listen To Offers On Denard Span

By Jeff Todd [November 9, 2013 at 12:20pm CST]

Officials of competing clubs say that the Nationals appear willing to listen to offers on center fielder Denard Span, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The 29-year-old came to Washington via trade from the Twins, who received pitching prospect Alex Meyer in the deal.

 

 

He's the same age as DeAza.

 

He's a defensive upgrade, but an offensive downgrade.

 

Sure, if they were willing to give him up for Gordon Beckham, you'd think about it...but that's not going to happen.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Can't see the Sox going for him. The Sox don't really need to upgrade the OF, they got a lot more pressing areas like 3B and C that need attention.

[Kyyle23]

He's the same age as DeAza.

 

He's a defensive upgrade, but an offensive downgrade.

 

Sure, if they were willing to give him up for Gordon Beckham, you'd think about it...but that's not going to happen.

 

Offensive downgrade? In one category, home runs. Span is better at hitting doubles, triples, has a higher career batting average, OPS, is a better base stealer, takes the same amount of walks, strikes out less.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spande01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/deazaal01.shtml

 

Im not seeing much of a downgrade at all.

[2nd_city_saint787]

If they can get a good package for De Aza, sure, I'd like Span. He's been one of the best CFers in the game defensively, doesn't strikeout a ton, and he can take a walk.

 

Not sure what they'd want though.

[Balta1701]

Offensive downgrade? In one category, home runs. Span is better at hitting doubles, triples, has a higher career batting average, OPS, is a better base stealer, takes the same amount of walks, strikes out less.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spande01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/deazaal01.shtml

 

Im not seeing much of a downgrade at all.

Take a look at the last 4 years. Span had 2 great years to start his career, De Aza had a rough month as a rookie before injury.

 

Since 2010, Span is hitting .270 with a .703 OPS. Since 2010, De Aza is hitting .278 with a .762 OPS. 94 OPS+ for Span, 105 OPS+ for De Aza.

 

Last 2 years it's a bit closer, De Aza with a .743 OPS, Span at .721 and the park adjustment helps De Aza a bit. But it's no stretch to say that Span looks like a slight downgrade based on the last few years.

[mataipaepae]

Take a look at the last 4 years. Span had 2 great years to start his career, De Aza had a rough month as a rookie before injury.

 

Since 2010, Span is hitting .270 with a .703 OPS. Since 2010, De Aza is hitting .278 with a .762 OPS. 94 OPS+ for Span, 105 OPS+ for De Aza.

 

Last 2 years it's a bit closer, De Aza with a .743 OPS, Span at .721 and the park adjustment helps De Aza a bit. But it's no stretch to say that Span looks like a slight downgrade based on the last few years.

the defensive upgrade makes it all worth it. span brings more speed to the table too. he is a table setter for the top of the lineup. and is much more consistant.

[witesoxfan]

the defensive upgrade makes it all worth it. span brings more speed to the table too. he is a table setter for the top of the lineup. and is much more consistant.

 

Span doesn't do a lot with his speed though, and he makes about as many mistakes on the base paths as De Aza. He's an upgrade on defense for sure, but he's a glue guy, which is about the last thing the Sox need unless he came cheaply.

[mataipaepae]

I love Span's game but it would mean we would have to move ADA or Viciedo and send good prospects to Washington and I don't know if that makes sense for our organization right now. Would be nice to have a CFer/leadoff hitter with great defense.

 

The combo of Span and Semien at the top of the order followed by a 3-4 power duo of Dunn-Abreu would be a great step in fixing the offensive woes.

I was thinking a 3-4-5 hitter behind that abreu-dunn-garcia

[mataipaepae]

Span doesn't do a lot with his speed though, and he makes about as many mistakes on the base paths as De Aza. He's an upgrade on defense for sure, but he's a glue guy, which is about the last thing the Sox need unless he came cheaply.

we don't need glue guys?

[witesoxfan]

we don't need glue guys?

 

Really, no, not right now. They need guys they can build around who are young and under team control. Span is a guy you acquire if you have an outright weakness in CF and you're an 81-85 win talent team. Neither is the case for the Sox right now. He's a guy who can help push you over the top but won't do a ton by himself. It'd be like if the Sox were looking to trade for De Aza right now. Nobody would suggest that unless it were for very cheap.

 

If they could get him for like Dylan Axelrod, yeah, sure, but they're going to look for a prospect or two. That's not what the Sox need to do.

 

 

[mataipaepae]

I love Span's game but it would mean we would have to move ADA or Viciedo and send good prospects to Washington and I don't know if that makes sense for our organization right now. Would be nice to have a CFer/leadoff hitter with great defense.

 

The combo of Span and Semien at the top of the order followed by a 3-4 power duo of Dunn-Abreu would be a great step in fixing the offensive woes.

what's wrong with moving ADA if spann comes?

[witesoxfan]

what's wrong with moving ADA if spann comes?

 

That's a lateral move. It doesn't add or take away anything except that you lose value overall because you'll give up more for Span than you'll get in return for Span.

[mataipaepae]

That's a lateral move. It doesn't add or take away anything except that you lose value overall because you'll give up more for Span than you'll get in return for Span.

that's an opinion. I believe span to be an upgrade and someone that fits more of what we need at the top of the lineup to be more successful. also helps us more defensively. even you stated this. so how is that lateral?

[witesoxfan]

that's an opinion. I believe span to be an upgrade and someone that fits more of what we need at the top of the lineup to be more successful. also helps us more defensively. even you stated this. so how is that lateral?

 

How do you figure he's an upgrade at the top of the order? Span put up a .327 OBP and was 20 of 26 on the base paths, while De Aza was at .323 and 20 of 28. Span is an upgrade defensively but also has nowhere near the power. Those cancel out or give an advantage to De Aza. Really, I don't see an upgrade in there, and the Sox have less control of Span. It's just not a move that makes a lot of sense.

[mataipaepae]

How do you figure he's an upgrade at the top of the order? Span put up a .327 OBP and was 20 of 26 on the base paths, while De Aza was at .323 and 20 of 28. Span is an upgrade defensively but also has nowhere near the power. Those cancel out or give an advantage to De Aza. Really, I don't see an upgrade in there, and the Sox have less control of Span. It's just not a move that makes a lot of sense.

agree to disagree! differing of opinions.

[Jake]

The only reason to do this would be the FO personally disliking ADA

[GreenSox]

Can't see the Sox going for him. The Sox don't really need to upgrade the OF, they got a lot more pressing areas like 3B and C that need attention.

Who, pray tell, do we have to play CF?

CF if a top need for this team.

[witesoxfan]

Who, pray tell, do we have to play CF?

CF if a top need for this team.

 

Not really, not in a transition year. De Aza plays a passable CF anyways, even if he is not comfortable there. The biggest need was already satisfied, the next need is young, talented, team-controlled players.

[caulfield12]

that's an opinion. I believe span to be an upgrade and someone that fits more of what we need at the top of the lineup to be more successful. also helps us more defensively. even you stated this. so how is that lateral?

 

 

 

 

Because you're giving up prospects that weaken your organization/depth overall and there's the possibility you trade away someone that ends up better than either Span or DeAza...which puts competing for the division even further away.

[caulfield12]

Who, pray tell, do we have to play CF?

CF if a top need for this team.

 

 

 

If you want to outbid the Cubs, Red Sox, Mariners, etc., for Ellsbury, sure.

 

Not going to happen.

 

With the dollar figures being bandied around this offseason, the likes of Granderson and Saltalamacchia don't even make a whole lot of sense.

 

 

 

If Marcus Semien wins ROY, we get a 725 OPS out of the catching spot and 750-775 out of 3B, as well as progression from Viciedo/Abreu/Garcia, then we can start talking about upgrading CF again.

[beck72]

The sox best bet for CF is via trade with a young guy who would be under control for a few years. Span would be a short term rental, not worth the price in prospects. The sox should target a guy who can play good d, work counts, make contact. He'd hit near the bottom of the order. That way, De Aza could slide to LF.

 

Whoever the sox acquire would have nothing to prove in AAA. Probably with some major league at bats.

[GreenSox]

If you want to outbid the Cubs, Red Sox, Mariners, etc., for Ellsbury, sure.

 

Not going to happen.

 

With the dollar figures being bandied around this offseason, the likes of Granderson and Saltalamacchia don't even make a whole lot of sense.

 

 

 

If Marcus Semien wins ROY, we get a 725 OPS out of the catching spot and 750-775 out of 3B, as well as progression from Viciedo/Abreu/Garcia, then we can start talking about upgrading CF again.

He very well be not worth trading for, but we certainly do need a CF.

 

Da Aza is not passable.

[witesoxfan]

He very well be not worth trading for, but we certainly do need a CF.

 

Da Aza is not passable.

 

For a team in transition, he is perfectly passable. There's no need to spend an exorbitant amount on a CF when the difference he will make is 72 or 76 wins. I don't understand why you'd want to spend a ton when it really won't matter this year.

 

 

[LittleHurt05]

If you are gonna start a thread, at least spell the guy's name right.