NorthSideSox72 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 09:45 AM) April .207/.309/.244 May .255/.294/.304 June .253/.308/.333 July .255/.291/.316 August .209/.227/.256 September .250/.250/.250 Fairly consistent splits during May/June/July and certainly no significant improvement over the last 6 weeks of the season. Sanchez was essentially the same player in '13 as he was in '12. The only difference was in the BABIP. In 2012 his BABIP was .385 giving a triple slash of .323/.378/.403, in 2013 his BABIP was .290 giving a triple slash of .241/.293/.296. I don't see where any "major improvement" would come from. I don't think you can expect major improvement by looking at his year's stats. He has been hitting quite well in Venezuela so far, but that is more like A+/AA competition than AAA. I think that he was pushed up very quickly at a very young age, and his improvement will come from simply getting better and stronger with development time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Here's an interesting follow up to that list, FWIW: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/steamer-pro...-sox-prospects/ Steamer projections for ML performance for some of the closest prospects. Surprised that EJ doesn't project better, but I think that's about right for Semien -- roughly a league average player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Jason Parks @ProfessorParks 1h Don't overlook RHP Tyler Danish in #ChiSox system. #6 in that org for me. Unconventional, but everything moves and he can spot it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) Jason Parks @ProfessorParks 1h Don't overlook RHP Tyler Danish in #ChiSox system. #6 in that org for me. Unconventional, but everything moves and he can spot it up. I expect him to make his first appearance in 2015 and be a second ace to Sale by 2016. Not asking too much am I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) Ya that's real bizarre to have Hawkins over Abreu. On a positive note, every time I look at these lists, I like what I see more and more when it comes to the talent we have. Obviously there's still a ways to go but we've definitely made progress. That list is also without Zapata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) That list is also without Zapata. I'm okay with that. He's very young and no one knows very much about him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) I expect him to make his first appearance in 2015 and be a second ace to Sale by 2016. Not asking too much am I? Might wanna temper those expectations a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) I put together my own prospect list recently, based on a three-pronged, highly scientific, criteria of potential impact, combined with perceived likelihood of overcoming development issues and making it to the show, combined withy my excitement level in following their progress. It also contains a bias towards pitching, based on decades of horrible position player development. I'm putting EJohnson, Semien, Webb, Abreu and the Garcia's as non-prospects, expecting most or all of these to be on the opening day roster. 1. Danish 2. Beck 3. T. Anderson 4. M. Johnson 5. Hawkins 6. Tr. Thompson 7. Barnum 8. Bassitt 9. M. Adolfo 10. J. May 11. Snodgress 12. C. Sanchez 13. B. Ortiz 14. B. Jacobs 15. J. Olacio 16. J. Petricka 17. A. Lopez 18. A. Engel 19. S. Ayala 20. K. Hansen 21. M. Jaye 22. J. Cose 23. R. Ravelo 24. K. Walker 25. J. Mitchell (due to AFL performance ONLY), replaces Santos Rodriguez Fundamentally, I believe that the SPEED TOOL will be soon be valued much greater than it is currently (will start a thread on this soon, I know you're happy for me), and dare I say that our frequently obtuse and dysfunctional org may actually be ahead of the curve in this regard. Thus, my "crazy high" placement of Micah, but don't let that stop you from flaming away. Edited November 13, 2013 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) Might wanna temper those expectations a bit. Nah, I'm going all in on the Dane. He'll eventually be regarded as the steal of the '13 draft, and the upshot of it will be the gutlessness of other orgs who passed on guys like he and Sale due to wrong-headed mechanics generalizations. I trust that the org doesn't take Tyler in Round 2 if Coop doesn't give his blessing, and I trust Coop. Edited November 13, 2013 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 06:10 PM) Nah, I'm going all in on the Dane. He'll eventually be regarded as the steal of the '13 draft, and the upshot of it will be the gutlessness of other orgs who passed on guys like he and Sale due to wrong-headed mechanics generalizations. I trust that the org doesn't take Tyler in Round 2 if Coop doesn't give his blessing, and I trust Coop. I'm going to hope this is true because then I'll be able to say I was one of the first people to interview our next ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) I put together my own prospect list recently, based on a three-pronged, highly scientific, criteria of potential impact, combined with perceived likelihood of overcoming development issues and making it to the show, combined withy my excitement level in following their progress. It also contains a bias towards pitching, based on decades of horrible position player development. I'm putting EJohnson, Semien, Webb, Abreu and the Garcia's as non-prospects, expecting most or all of these to be on the opening day roster. 1. Danish 2. Beck 3. T. Anderson 4. M. Johnson 5. Hawkins 6. Tr. Thompson 7. Barnum 8. Bassitt 9. M. Adolfo 10. J. May 11. Snodgress 12. C. Sanchez 13. B. Ortiz 14. B. Jacobs 15. J. Olacio 16. J. Petricka 17. A. Lopez 18. A. Engel 19. S. Ayala 20. K. Hansen 21. M. Jaye 22. J. Cose 23. R. Ravelo 24. K. Walker 25. J. Mitchell (due to AFL performance ONLY), replaces Santos Rodriguez Fundamentally, I believe that the SPEED TOOL will be soon be valued much greater than it is currently (will start a thread on this soon, I know you're happy for me), and dare I say that our frequently obtuse and dysfunctional org may actually be ahead of the curve in this regard. Thus, my "crazy high" placement of Micah, but don't let that stop you from flaming away. Interesting. By the way, all those guys you mentioned as non-prospects (EJohnson, etc.), are technically still prospects by definition, except Avisail Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Also, BP's org T10 for the White Sox comes out Friday, from Jason Parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 08:13 AM) Also, BP's org T10 for the White Sox comes out Friday, from Jason Parks. It's up and is both disappointing (not surprising) and also reassuring. Parks wrote that the system is much improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It's up and is both disappointing (not surprising) and also reassuring. Parks wrote that the system is much improved. Perhaps you could copy the article here for those of us who don't subscribe to BP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 07:13 AM) Perhaps you could copy the article here for those of us who don't subscribe to BP? If it is behind a paywall, he can't copy it. He can highlight it and/or summarize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 If it is behind a paywall, he can't copy it. He can highlight it and/or summarize it. There's always a way to copy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 07:47 AM) There's always a way to copy it. Not necessarily without getting SoxTalk in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 07:37 AM) If it is behind a paywall, he can't copy it. He can highlight it and/or summarize it. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 07:47 AM) There's always a way to copy it. Southsider knows he CAN copy it, but that he shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Sorry, I didn't realize that BP had their minions monitoring this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) Sorry, I didn't realize that BP had their minions monitoring this site. It's actually to prevent BP's minions from monitoring the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 The Top Ten RHP Erik Johnson SS Tim Anderson RF Courtney Hawkins RHP Chris Beck RHP Tyler Danish SS Marcus Semien 2B Carlos Sanchez 2B Micah Johnson CF Trayce Thompson RHP Francellis Montas Are BP the same publication that surprised everyone by including Myles Jaye last year? Because if so, they appear to have done it again with Montas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:02 AM) Southsider knows he CAN copy it, but that he shouldn't. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) It's actually to prevent BP's minions from monitoring the site. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 These BP write-ups, IMO, are easily the best lists out there and are totally worth the 3 dollars or whatever you pay for monthly access, even if you just sign-up during prospect season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) These BP write-ups, IMO, are easily the best lists out there and are totally worth the 3 dollars or whatever you pay for monthly access, even if you just sign-up during prospect season. This. I have an insider account and I don't really mind ripping their content (although I don't post it here). I have been a BP subscriber for 5 years now and it rules. It's only like $40 a year*. The writing it top notch and if you like the prospect stuff it's the best coverage out there. *note: edited from month to year Edited November 15, 2013 by Paint it Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:33 AM) The Top Ten RHP Erik Johnson SS Tim Anderson RF Courtney Hawkins RHP Chris Beck RHP Tyler Danish SS Marcus Semien 2B Carlos Sanchez 2B Micah Johnson CF Trayce Thompson RHP Francellis Montas Are BP the same publication that surprised everyone by including Myles Jaye last year? Because if so, they appear to have done it again with Montas. Yes - BP has Jaye ranked last year http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=19444 This article is now free, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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