Hahn says trade talks have heated up.

[brian310]

It would be like an NL version of Zobrist. An everyday utility player

[Frank_Thomas]

FWIW Merkin retweeted this from Keppinger:

 

What comes easy won't last. What lasts won't come easy.

[Leonard Zelig]

It's not ideal, but Matheny could certainly use Craig as a swiss army knife again. The only 3 positions he didn't play in 2011 were SS, C, and P. If you move him around to 1B, 3B, LF, and RF while DHing when they play in AL parks, he could easily get 500 PAs.

LOL. He played 11 innings at 3rd base 3 seasons ago and you are calling other people out for cherry picking.

[witesoxfan]

LOL. He played 11 innings at 3rd base 3 seasons ago and you are calling other people out for cherry picking.

 

OK. Matheny won't play him at 3B. I figure if the guy is athletic enough to play 2B, he can probably play 3B too. Maybe you just play him at 1B, LF, and RF. It's not that big a deal. And I just looked quick, and it's just an idea.

 

Maybe the Cards are setting up a package for Tulo centered around Taveras and Martinez. Who really knows at this point?

Edited November 22, 2013 by witesoxfan

[brian310]

I wonder if the Cards would be more open to an Alexei deal now that they were able to bring in another outfield prospect into the mix (maybe for Piscotty straight up like people have suggested before? Maybe even this Grichuk they just got and another prospect for Alexei?).

Edited November 22, 2013 by chisoxfan310

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I wonder if the Cards would be more open to an Alexei deal now that they were able to bring in another outfield prospect into the mix (maybe for Piscotty straight up like people have suggested before?).

 

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Piscotty was already behind Tavaras, and now they just added 2 more OFs. The minor league OF they got from the Angels was the #4 prospect in LAA, but I'm not sure how he would stack up in the Cardinals mind to Piscotty. But I'm think our chances of them giving us Piscotty should go up considerably after this move. And then they also have OF James Ramsey, their 2012 1st RD pick who will be in either AA or AAA this season. They have a plethora of young OFers.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Chilihead90

[southsider2k5]

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Piscotty was already behind Tavaras, and now they just added 2 more OFs. The minor league OF they got from the Angels was the #4 prospect in LAA, but I'm not sure how he would stack up in the Cardinals mind to Piscotty. But I'm think our chances of them giving us Piscotty should go up considerably after this move. And then they also have OF James Ramsey, their 2012 1st RD pick who will be in either AA or AAA this season. They have a plethora of young OFers.

 

Sounds like the Angels system has replaced the Sox as the joke of MLB. One writer said while the pitcher they got was teh #2 prospect in the Angels system, they would be around #10 in the Cardinals. They also said you could take the Twins entire top 10 list away, and it would still be a better system than the Angels.

[brian310]

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Piscotty was already behind Tavaras, and now they just added 2 more OFs. The minor league OF they got from the Angels was the #4 prospect in LAA, but I'm not sure how he would stack up in the Cardinals mind to Piscotty. But I'm think our chances of them giving us Piscotty should go up considerably after this move. And then they also have OF James Ramsey, their 2012 1st RD pick who will be in either AA or AAA this season. They have a plethora of young OFers.

 

According to the prospect rankings on mlb.com for the Cardinals, he's just outside the top 10 at number 11. Piscotty is 7. Grichuk just turned 22 in August.

 

In 500 at-bats last year, Grichuk hit .256, OBP of .306, slugged at .474, and hit 22 HR, 27 doubles and 8 triples. Struck out 92 times.

Edited November 22, 2013 by chisoxfan310

[Balta1701]

For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold.

[witesoxfan]

For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold.

 

I imagine there's a ton going on behind the scenes right now. Figuring out what's out there, letting teams know who they're willing to give up, determining which moves they want to make (and which ones after that, both in the even they are able to make the first move or not). Come up with plan A, B, C, D, E, F and so on until you get to about MM or NN. Then proceed.

[caulfield12]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-stephen-...field-prospect/

 

 

Piscotty

 

On The Stanford Swing: “Their approach, honestly, is what my approach is. Hitting with two strikes is part of that. At Stanford, we had a saying where, when you get to two strikes, you tap your helmet and tell yourself — tell your team — you’re going to battle and shorten up, put it in play, no matter what. I still do that, just as a reminder. But in general, the coaches there may see things and have different ideas, but they don’t try to mold you into anything. There’s no real ‘Stanford swing.’”

 

On learning in the Cardinals’ system: “I’ve been really impressed with the organization. I feel I’ve learned a ton. It’s been a perfect balance [of hands-on and hands-off]. It hasn’t been that they’re forcing stuff upon me, but rather if they see something that will help me, they speak up. I’ve listened and have been able to build up my game.

 

“When I got to Double-A, my hitting coach said, ‘I’m not going to talk to you for two weeks, I’m just going to watch you do what you do.’ When the two weeks were over — I wasn’t doing too well at that point — I immediately asked, ‘It’s been two weeks, what do you have for me?’ He had a couple of things that got me on the right track.”

[2nd_city_saint787]

His -7 uzr backs that up. This could be nothing more than dumping freeze for a 4th OF/defensive replacement. Bourjos has done nothing in his career to warrant an immediate starting spot anyway.

 

It was just 2012 when he ranked 6th among qualified CFers with a 3.7 uzr. The year before that he also had a positive uzr.

 

The question is, was he "lucky" the previous 2 years, or was this year just a "bad year".

 

 

[Chicago White Sox]

For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold.

Have Tanaka, Garza, Santana, & Nolasco signed yet? How much starting pitching has been traded so far?

 

Unless a team gets aggressive, Hahn needs to wait for the market for his players to establish itself.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Even with Jay traded there is four outfielders there..?

 

Bourjos will be 27 at the start of next year and has a grand total of 1100 AB's in the majors with a .251/.306/.398 career slash line. Bourjos is hardly penciled into the starting lineup.

[witesoxfan]

Bourjos will be 27 at the start of next year and has a grand total of 1100 AB's in the majors with a .251/.306/.398 career slash line. Bourjos is hardly penciled into the starting lineup.

 

Exactly. I dont see Bourjos as a starter. He can fill in and provide value just fine, but on a contender, he's a 4th outfielder.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Woooooo!! No David Freese for us!!

Yea but no Bourjos either . I wanted him bad .

[Vance Law]

Bourjos has done nothing in his career to warrant an immediate starting spot anyway.

 

He sure did in 2011.

[GreatScott82]

For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold.

I was thinking the same thing... Let's make these moves already..... #impatientfanhere

[Jake]

[cough]

 

Where would he play.

 

Where this guy plays

 

 

FWIW Merkin retweeted this from Keppinger:

 

What comes easy won't last. What lasts won't come easy.

 

Jeff moving on to his post-baseball career of bad haiku-making

 

 

 

[GreenSox]

Exactly. I dont see Bourjos as a starter. He can fill in and provide value just fine, but on a contender, he's a 4th outfielder.

The way he's hit so far he's a 4th outfielder. But he doesn't have that many at bats and the Cards needed to improve their OF defense, as do we.

[brian310]

In an outfield that may feature both Holliday and Craig, they need Bourjos in center.

[mike65]

In an outfield that may feature both Holliday and Craig, they need Bourjos in center.

 

First, if Jay stays in St. Louis, he will be a 4th OFer. It is far more likely that he will be traded. A player that has been a starter isn't likely to be happy to return to a lesser role. I will be very surprised if Jay makes it to spring training.

 

Bourjos is very likely to start. The only alternative in CF if the Cardinals trade Jay will be Taveras and both his health and ability to play a regular CF are both in question at this moment.

 

I still think the Cardinals and White Sox hook up on Ramirez and have felt that way since July. I won't give up that hope until the Cardinals relace Kozma with someone else.

Edited November 23, 2013 by mike65

[Kyyle23]

Come on Rick, I want to forget about D Rose

[TheFutureIsNear]

So I think we can all agree that Hahn should at least be exploring trade possibilities for 1 of young LH SP's? We should make up a list of all of the teams actively looking for SP and what they presumably could/would realistically offer.

 

I'll start...

 

La Angels - Their rotation is very weak beyond Wilson and Weaver. Even more so after letting lefty Vargas walk. They are also in championship or bust mode given their pay roll.

 

Who they could give up- Howie Kendrick, Mark Trumbo, Taylor Lindsey, CJ Cron, Kaleb Cowart

 

 

Not sure how they look as a trade partner to be honest. I want to move in the opposite direction of the Trumbo's of the world and Kendrick is a little old for us. Plus their top position prospects leave a lot to be desired.

 

Anyone wanna try another team?

[Marty34]

I think the Jays and D'Backs match up very well with the Sox. Cardinals for Ramirez too.