Hahn says trade talks have heated up.

[Jake]

What kind of team would look at Beckham and Semien as relatively equal options?

[Balta1701]

What kind of team would look at Beckham and Semien as relatively equal options?

A team wanting to compete this year and having no one whatsoever to play 2b would clearly prefer Beckham. Semien is a guy who you just wouldn't want to count on for this season, and you really wouldn't want to burn a year of arbitration by having him as your opening day 2b unless you had a good reason to.

[brian310]

Astros would not want Beckham. They have Altuve at second already and Villar at short.

[The Ultimate Champion]

What kind of team would look at Beckham and Semien as relatively equal options?

Beckham = more talent IMO, already a Major League player, but only short period of control remaining; if you think you can turn him around then you could get a nice package in return

 

Semien = much longer period of control, good prospect, but not nearly as talented overall, not an established MLB player, and you're not even sure you'd consider him fully MLB ready at this point based on his peripherals during his call-up

 

In our position we'd probably take Semien's control, but Houston has Altuve who maybe they will shop also. Beckham would represent at least a stopgap at a downgrade with the potential to turn the corner, whereas Semien may just look like a long-term downgrade from Altuve at the position.

 

If Houston isn't planning on offering up Altuve at any point then I doubt they have much interest in our 2B players/prospects at this point, save for Micah Johnson possibly as an OF.

[flavum]

Hahn interview this morning...

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/audio/986-670-...-interviews#986

[Jake]

I think Gordon's talent may be what was overestimated.

[ShandyMan]

hector santiago for brett gardner?

 

 

i know there would probably be more pieces involved but that could be a starting point

[GGajewski18]

Chances we see Hahn make moves at the winter meetings this upcoming week?

[Jerksticks]

Chances we see Hahn make moves at the winter meetings this upcoming week?

I'd say pretty good since talks are heating up...

[The Ultimate Champion]

I listened to that interview and early on, in the background, you can clearly hear Hahn's phone ringing. Anyone want to speculate which team and trade proposal was on the other end?

 

I'll say it was the Marlins which is why Rick didn't answer the phone, because he knows they always call collect & besides he doesn't want Lomer Morganson or whatever his stupid name is anyway.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I listened to that interview and early on, in the background, you can clearly hear Hahn's phone ringing. Anyone want to speculate which team and trade proposal was on the other end?

 

I'll say it was the Marlins which is why Rick didn't answer the phone, because he knows they always call collect & besides he doesn't want Lomer Morganson or whatever his stupid name is anyway.

 

 

Did you take the beginning of the interview as Hahn putting the Konerko signing squarely on Reinsdorf? That's what i heard

[The Ultimate Champion]

Did you take the beginning of the interview as Hahn putting the Konerko signing squarely on Reinsdorf? That's what i heard

Yes, but his honesty there leads me to believe that he really does want Paulie back as it is.

 

I really like the idea of what they're doing with Paulie here, and I think people are overreacting a bit re: AB for younger players. I think Dunn is probably a goner, and if they simply dump him for nothing but get another team to cover $2.5M of Dunn's deal then they've essentially opened up a full season of ABs for another OF while subbing Dunn's donkeyship for Paulie's leadership. Hahn makes a comment in there about having underperformed at the DH position for "several years" which is an ouchy on Dunn. And he also said that he talked to Steverson re: Dunn's possible role & expects Adam to fall in line.

 

He gone IMO.

[GreatScott82]

He pretty much said in the interview that it's likely that most of the remaining deals will be made via trade. I hope something happens soon. It's getting very stale and this team still has three glaring holes...

[GreatScott82]

Yes, but his honesty there leads me to believe that he really does want Paulie back as it is.

 

I really like the idea of what they're doing with Paulie here, and I think people are overreacting a bit re: AB for younger players. I think Dunn is probably a goner, and if they simply dump him for nothing but get another team to cover $2.5M of Dunn's deal then they've essentially opened up a full season of ABs for another OF while subbing Dunn's donkeyship for Paulie's leadership. Hahn makes a comment in there about having underperformed at the DH position for "several years" which is an ouchy on Dunn. And he also said that he talked to Steverson re: Dunn's possible role & expects Adam to fall in line.

 

He gone IMO.

I hope you are right dude.. What a breath of fresh air that would be.

[BlackSox13]

What AL teams are left that have the opening at DH and are willing to take on part of or all of Dunn's contract? Can't think of any at the moment. Wouldn't complain if he was traded, in fact I'd be happy, just having a difficult time coming up with a fit.

Edited December 7, 2013 by StRoostifer

[GreatScott82]

What AL teams are left that have the opening at DH and are willing to take on part of or all of Dunn's contract? Can't think of any at the moment. Wouldn't complain if he was traded, in fact I'd be happy, just having a difficult time coming up with a fit.

Don't forget about the NL teams who need a 1B... Not the best option for 1b, but still a possibility.

[Jerksticks]

Don't forget about the NL teams who need a 1B... Not the best option for 1b, but still a possibility.

 

This all sounds like wishful thinking. While Dunn is arguably one of the worst Sox ever, that same fact will probably keep him here thru 2014. Nobody wants to pay for a guy who won't play team ball.

[Balta1701]

This all sounds like wishful thinking. While Dunn is arguably one of the worst Sox ever, that same fact will probably keep him here thru 2014. Nobody wants to pay for a guy who won't play team ball.

WTF is that bull? Like how he refused to play 1b last year when Konerko got hurt (oh wait he did, he was just really bad at it). Like how he spent the whole first month of the season being terrible because he was trying to do what the hitting coach asked him to do by swinging earlier in the count and putting the ball in play more (and then when he started being more patient suddenly started hitting HR again)?

[Y2Jimmy0]

This all sounds like wishful thinking. While Dunn is arguably one of the worst Sox ever, that same fact will probably keep him here thru 2014. Nobody wants to pay for a guy who won't play team ball.

 

 

Disappointing for contract that was signed and what was expected? Yes. One of worst Sox ever? No. Jesus he wasn't even close to being the worst guy on the team LAST SEASON. You either have an agenda or need a different television.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Hahn when asked about other big signings coming in the future kind of side-stepped the question by saying that there is still room in the budget but not to expect any 9-figure salaries.

 

However, dumping Dunn and say signing James Loney as a stopgap upgrades 1B/DH considerably at the dish and in the field, plus adds much needed contact while preserving the power through Abreu/Paulie and keeping a lefty bat there. Abreu's write-ups don't make him sound like a defender. This could be something they are looking at, especially since if someone like Loney hits in the Cell he is still young enough to where you can trade him for something & dump the remainder of the contract when you're ready to call up/trade for your long-term 1B.

[Quin]

WTF is that bull? Like how he refused to play 1b last year when Konerko got hurt (oh wait he did, he was just really bad at it). Like how he spent the whole first month of the season being terrible because he was trying to do what the hitting coach asked him to do by swinging earlier in the count and putting the ball in play more (and then when he started being more patient suddenly started hitting HR again)?

 

Adam Dunn is evil!

[Balta1701]

Hahn when asked about other big signings coming in the future kind of side-stepped the question by saying that there is still room in the budget but not to expect any 9-figure salaries.

 

However, dumping Dunn and say signing James Loney as a stopgap upgrades 1B/DH considerably at the dish and in the field, plus adds much needed contact while preserving the power through Abreu/Paulie and keeping a lefty bat there. Abreu's write-ups don't make him sound like a defender. This could be something they are looking at, especially since if someone like Loney hits in the Cell he is still young enough to where you can trade him for something & dump the remainder of the contract when you're ready to call up/trade for your long-term 1B.

Just what we need. To take even more playing time from Abreu.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I like how all offseason we've been craving LH hitters yet we now just want to dump Dunn. Dumping Dunn will make me hate the Pauley move because I only love it as part of a platoon. Pauley doesn't want to play full time, nor should he after breaking down down the stretch in 2012 and being garbage in 2013.

 

We wanted LH hitters because we face a lot of RH pitching, Dunn had the highest OPS against RH pitching and we wanna dump him. Garcia had the next highest OPS vs RHP(in only 129 abs) and then were looking at Beckham as the guy who put up the next highest ops vs RHP, and we wanna dump him as well.

 

 

[The Ultimate Champion]

Just what we need. To take even more playing time from Abreu.

Nobody is taking anything away from Abreu. Hahn's said this the whole time, and reiterated it again this morning. What are you not hearing?

 

Hahn says the guy will need some breaks. You're talking about someone who has never spent such a long season playing and having to do it against the toughest pitching in his life. He will be in there when he's performing, and if/when he hits a couple major snags ala Alexei Ramirez's April coming out of Cuba then he will get a breather. Let's not Hawkins this guy right out of the freakin gate for crimminey christ.

[The Ultimate Champion]

I like how all offseason we've been craving LH hitters yet we now just want to dump Dunn. Dumping Dunn will make me hate the Pauley move because I only love it as part of a platoon. Pauley doesn't want to play full time, nor should he after breaking down down the stretch in 2012 and being garbage in 2013.

 

We wanted LH hitters because we face a lot of RH pitching, Dunn had the highest OPS against RH pitching and we wanna dump him. Garcia had the next highest OPS vs RHP(in only 129 abs) and then were looking at Beckham as the guy who put up the next highest ops vs RHP, and we wanna dump him as well.

Dunn's future means absolutely nothing to this team. He's here because he's owed $15M. His GM just publicly acknowledged him as a limited platoon player who may need to step aside in certain areas for the good of the team. Why do you even care if he's here? I'd rather the Sox try to do something like what the Cubs did with Schierholtz and what really every rebuilding team does by signing someone with some ability and throwing him out there, seeing if you can get some value. This is what the Nats did with Morse, the Phils weren't really rebuilding but they found Werth a spot, etc. There are non-tenders, rule-5 guys, waiver claims, rebuild-their-value free agents, etc. all out there, and any one guy with any amount of youth and potential that could take Dunn's PA away would have at least some chance of helping us in the future, whether that be from said player's contributions or by dealing him off for prospects later.