Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:16 PM) Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo and his .299 OBP? Holy s*** Kevin Towers is stupid. I presume this is just a rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:28 AM) I presume this is just a rumor? It just says the Angels are targeting Skaggs & Cahill, it doesn't mean the DBacks will easily trade them straight up for Trumbo. Edited December 10, 2013 by LittleHurt05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:16 PM) Cahill and Skaggs for Trumbo and his .299 OBP? Holy s*** Kevin Towers is stupid. Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy. I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy. I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back. That's a great idea actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) I gave up 3 because I didn't care about the 2 of them and they kinda make sense for the Phillies. You'd seriously balk at a Brown trade because of De Aza? Considering De Aza was a more valuable player than Dominic Brown last year, yes, I would balk at it because of De Aza. I'd also balk because of Jones and because of Santiago plus all those guys. Like I said, I have no problem with Santiago for Brown, straight up. That's about perfect value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:01 AM) That's a great idea actually Ya I like that a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Here's a Sale trade I might think about: Sox trade: Sale Quintana Reed Phils trade: Hamels Papelboner DBacks trade: EVERYONE GOOD Sox get: Hamels Papelbon's s***ty contract EVERYONE GOOD from AZ Phils get: Quintana Reed Tons of $$$$$ savings AZ gets: Sale Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Here's a Sale trade I might think about: Sox trade: Sale Quintana Reed Phils trade: Hamels Papelboner DBacks trade: EVERYONE GOOD Sox get: Hamels Papelbon's s***ty contract EVERYONE GOOD from AZ Phils get: Quintana Reed Tons of $$$$$ savings AZ gets: Sale Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm Thats not good. Sox have to add like $30M in payroll each season. Not sure who everyone good includes, but the payroll side of things alone makes it untenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy. I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back. I really like this as well. Eaton or Davidson would be a perfect fit and a quality return for Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Here's a Sale trade I might think about: Sox trade: Sale Quintana Reed Phils trade: Hamels Papelboner DBacks trade: EVERYONE GOOD Sox get: Hamels Papelbon's s***ty contract EVERYONE GOOD from AZ Phils get: Quintana Reed Tons of $$$$$ savings AZ gets: Sale Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm How about Sale for everyone good from Az. No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) Considering De Aza was a more valuable player than Dominic Brown last year, yes, I would balk at it because of De Aza. I'd also balk because of Jones and because of Santiago plus all those guys. Like I said, I have no problem with Santiago for Brown, straight up. That's about perfect value. This is why I hate that WAR has become mainstream. Brown was better in every way offensively last year, but because De Aza was below average in CF he's the more "valuable" player. Makes a ton of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:37 AM) This is why I hate that WAR has become mainstream. Brown was better in every way offensively last year, but because De Aza was below average in CF he's the more "valuable" player. Makes a ton of sense. No, because De Aza was a below average to average defensive player in CF and Dominic Brown was one of the worst defenders in the league. That's why he was more valuable. You can find left fielders all over. Hell, Gregor Blanco was a more valuable player. The fact is Dominic Brown hit 2/3 of his home runs in May and June, was mediocre otherwise, does not hit lefties well (.252/.296/.429/.724), and is a poor defensive player. I have no problem if the Sox acquire him, but temper your expectations. Hector Santiago is an incredibly similar player - high on talent, 4 years of service time remaining, shown flashes of brilliance but has also struggled at times, both entering their age 26 seasons. It's frankly a perfect match on paper if Philadelphia is looking to add starting pitching. There's no need to handicap yourself and immediately include a great young reliever and a guy who, at the very least, can be a very valuable 4th outfielder for your club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Acquiring Brown is akin to acquiring a young(er) Adam Dunn. He is bad against LHP now and will get worse, has a ton of left handed power, but no capacity to play any position other than DH at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I think Brown has a lot of room to improve. He's far more athletic than Dunn and makes much better contact. Ultimately, I think he can be a CarGo lite, putting up like .300/.350/.550, which is still monstrous, but I think he'll be a liability against left handed pitching and, given the amount of experience he has, I have no idea how much he can actually improve in the field. I have no problem if they deal Santiago for him, but then they need to find room for him, which means at DH or LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 D Brown isn't the type of player I'd want on the Sox now, but a Santiago swap would seem even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) How about Sale for everyone good from Az. No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts. Because EVERYONE GOOD is probably like 5-6 guys and if you don't pick up a Major League ace in there then you lose & lose hard, and when you make the playoffs and you don't have that #1 guy then what? You get Hamels and you still have a LH ace at the top of your rotation. Papelbon is a salary dump who is useful, Reed doesn't matter for the future since he's just a good but not great closer & few teams even want to pay closers into their 6th arb year anymore. Santiago & Danks are your 2nd & 3rd lefties, and you have a s***load of pitching to work into 2 spots, meaning you still end up with the pitching to contend. Salary is of no concern, lots of money coming off the books with Dunn next year, and even more with a Danks deal down the road. Would Phillies do it? Maybe not. It's funny how flawed the general trade Sale thinking is around here. The idea is that you trade 1 elite player who happens to fill one of the hardest positions in baseball to fill (true ace LHSP) who also happens to be on one of the best contracts in baseball and in return you expect to get a whole s***load of prospects who will inevitably become awesome and then you're all happy and everything is great. Then we contend and win titles & we do everything in one fell swoop. But in reality those all become lesser players if they make it at all, and we still don't have our stopper, and when he's a FA we still can't afford to sign him. Yet I mention bringing in another ace to replace Sale in the same deal, which of course makes us a s*** ton better than we would be otherwise and which actually would help us contend, and yet no one would do it because Hamels is expensive & obviously all those AZ guys are going to be at least that good themselves. The dream of selling your house for 250,000 1-dollar scratch-off tickets and then becoming a millionaire isn't a very likely scenario, but the baseball version of it gets talked about on message boards/discussion forums every single year, every single offseason, every single trade deadline. It's just dumb though, just like all those make money in real estate signs you see along the road, just like the Amway people & their little schemes, just like every fad diet/weight loss program, just the people who tell you all you have to do is exercise 4 mins a day to get into good shape, etc. it's all about this one single completely dumb idea that all you have to do is put forth one small effort here or there (like execute 1 trade) and suddenly everything's great. It's easy to believe in because it requires no skill or hard work, it's just schemes developed to profit off a whole bunch of lazy, unskilled suckers. But Rick Hahn isn't a sucker, nor is he lazy, and he learned under Kenny Williams so obviously he's seen this s*** before & he's not just going to dump Sale off for a bunch of lottery tickets and so on because he knows it doesn't work that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) How about Sale for everyone good from Az. No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts. Damn Green Sox, you received one hellified response to such a short and obviously funny comment you make here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) Its Cahill or Skaggs, and sounds like Skaggs is the guy. I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox getting in the middle of the deal and sending Santiago to the Angels and Trumbo to the Dbacks and getting someone like Eaton or Davidson back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:30 PM) BOOM goes the ISF DYNOMITE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Chris Gaines @Schraderbrau88 18m The White Sox are planning to leave the Winter Meetings with a "significant upgrade at third base." Another trade on the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:55 PM) Another trade on the way? LOL. Not an insider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 04:55 PM) Another trade on the way? That s*** was taken straight off this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:55 PM) Another trade on the way? LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!! For serious thou - board ediqute is to keep stuff like that in house. It's the right thing to do - as we don't want to go upsetting any insider sources. Catch the drift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:57 PM) LOL you just quoted one of my tweets. I took that from something bucket-of-suck said in the Viciedo trade thread. It's been a long day. Work was tiring. I think I'll go to bed now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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