flavum Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 07:25 PM) I honestly don't see us entering the 2014 season with both Ramirez & Beckham on the team. IMO, one of these guys will be traded this offseason. If that happens, Semien will be needed in the middle infield. And quite frankly, I'd rather not use him as a bandaid at 3B if he's going to be a 2B/SS long-term. Let him develop him defensively where he protects to be. I agree. The Sox have numbers at 2B- Semien and Garcia are probably ready, Sanchez and Johnson are close enough, and Elmore as a backup. Something has to give with the middle infield, and I don't see the Sox moving Beckham to 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 A St. Louis writer takes a little jab at the Sox (Hahn?) in the last sentence. I wonder what they were asking for Alexei back at the deadline. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ber...70aead2b04.html Don't Forget About: Alexei Ramirez, White Sox: a slick fielder, with good speed and the ability to steal bases. Age 32. But he's faded offensively, with a meager .301 OBP and .372 slugging percentage over the past two seasons combined. He's under contract through 2015, with a club option for 2016. The White Sox are in the rebuilding mode, which should make Ramirez available. Does Mozeliak have any enthusiasm for him? There's some. The Cardinals looked into possibility of trading for Ramirez at the 2013 trade deadline but the talks never advanced to a serious stage. If the White Sox are realistic instead of delusional, Ramirez could be moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 10:38 PM) Why, we're not in win or compete now mode. He went through the entire offseason last year basically doing nothing. No reason to be twitchy or itchy now. If anything, it's the Cubs with a lot more pressure to improve themselves instantly at the major league level. Don't be fooled. They think they can compete in this division as soon as next year. However they aren't going to sell the farm to get an overpriced declining bat. If all goes right they have several middle order hitters and the pitching staff to win a lot of games. Obviously that hinges on a few things: 1. Abreu has to be as good as advertised. 2. Garcia proves to be a serviceable 5 hitter 3. Dunn has a good season. 4. They acquire one more proven bat, most likely in the infield. Edited November 22, 2013 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:15 AM) Don't be fooled. They think they can compete in this division as soon as next year. However they aren't going to sell the farm to get an overpriced declining bat. If all goes right they have several middle order hitters and the pitching staff to win a lot of games. Obviously that hinges on a few things: 1. Abreu has to be as good as advertised. 2. Garcia proves to be a serviceable 5 hitter 3. Dunn has a good season. 4. They acquire one more proven bat, most likely in the infield. I'd add that Viciedo has to be a 25-30 HR, 85-105 RBI.....270-290ish hitter. And Santiago has to take the next step and sustain it throughout the season, along with Danks looking more like a 2 than a 4/5 starter. Finally, the middle relief has to be serviceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:20 AM) I'd add that Viciedo has to be a 25-30 HR, 85-105 RBI.....270-290ish hitter. And Santiago has to take the next step and sustain it throughout the season, along with Danks looking more like a 2 than a 4/5 starter. Finally, the middle relief has to be serviceable. I think they think they are a proven bat away to be honest. If the rotation and pen hold up, all it takes is those what ifs to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:24 AM) I think they think they are a proven bat away to be honest. If the rotation and pen hold up, all it takes is those what ifs to happen I feel the same.. Hopefully we can get another piece and we can actually compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 If Abreu is as advertised, Dunn has an up season and Garcia is an .800 OPS guy then you may really have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Our team would be appreciably better if Freese was the everyday 3B. I don't know that the trade price would be worth that gain, but he's a nice player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:40 AM) Our team would be appreciably better if Freese was the everyday 3B. I don't know that the trade price would be worth that gain, but he's a nice player. NOOOOOO lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:45 AM) Aside from those guys, you have 6 question marks. Catcher- We will acquire someone but who? Who is the 2nd catcher Flowers or Phegley? 2B - Beckham probably. Could be moved. Maybe Semien. Could be a 2B acquired. SS - Could move Alexei. If not Alexei then who? 3B - Gillapsinger? Acquire someone? LF&CF - At least one of De Aza/Viciedo. Either, more likely De Aza, could be moved. Phegley No Yes-one of their trade targets Maybe-also a place where you can add a bat (cf). Vicedo IMO isn't going anywhere, especially in Abreu's first season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Phegley has proven to be coachable and can pick up his game defensively. He'll play a lot of games this first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 This guy is on the block http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/andruel01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Off season optimism clouding rational thought. I like it, but y'all crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:58 AM) Off season optimism clouding rational thought. I like it, but y'all crazy! Just relaying what I think the attitude is. Doesn't mean it will work, but IMO the talent is there for some of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:55 AM) Phegley has proven to be coachable and can pick up his game defensively. He'll play a lot of games this first half. Coachable? Based on what? Phegley sucks and has zero tools. He looks like a roid monster that swings a lead bat. He has no tools. No bat sped. Warning track power. No eye. No arm. And his feet behind the plate move like Paul Konerko's cousin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:01 AM) Coachable? Based on what? Phegley sucks and has zero tools. He looks like a roid monster that swings a lead bat. He has no tools. No bat sped. Warning track power. No eye. No arm. And his feet behind the plate move like Paul Konerko's cousin. That he's different than when he was drafted. Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I think he deserves a shot out of ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:00 AM) Just relaying what I think the attitude is. Doesn't mean it will work, but IMO the talent is there for some of those guys. I look at more like Hahn is trying to keep the mouth breathers happy while he rebuilds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:57 AM) This guy is on the block http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/andruel01.shtml even after Rangers trading Kinsler?? Seems odd that they would trade him but would love to have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:02 AM) That he's different than when he was drafted. Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I think he deserves a shot out of ST. He definitely deserves a shot. There's nobody pushing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Here's what scares me about Phegley. A. He's a bad defender. He really doesn't have any tools behind the plate. B. His swing is ugly. The plane is weird. It looks manufactured and it's slow. C. I haven't seen him actually square up many balls. Even the HR's he's hit have been a result of a huge guy making decent contact. They're pushed out. There's no pop off the bat. They're just giant fly balls. I need to see him hit a couple rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) Here's what scares me about Phegley. A. He's a bad defender. He really doesn't have any tools behind the plate. B. His swing is ugly. The plane is weird. It looks manufactured and it's slow. C. I haven't seen him actually square up many balls. Even the HR's he's hit have been a result of a huge guy making decent contact. They're pushed out. There's no pop off the bat. They're just giant fly balls. I need to see him hit a couple rockets. He's bad in his first go round. He's shown that he can improve with time at every level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) Here's what scares me about Phegley. A. He's a bad defender. He really doesn't have any tools behind the plate. B. His swing is ugly. The plane is weird. It looks manufactured and it's slow. C. I haven't seen him actually square up many balls. Even the HR's he's hit have been a result of a huge guy making decent contact. They're pushed out. There's no pop off the bat. They're just giant fly balls. I need to see him hit a couple rockets. No tools behind the plate? Doesn't he have a great arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 02:13 AM) I know his contract isn't right for the timeframe but Colby Rasmus would fit perfectly on this team. Unfocused guys who have a reputation for mental errors, sloppy performance, and being difficult to coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 12:06 AM) A St. Louis writer takes a little jab at the Sox (Hahn?) in the last sentence. I wonder what they were asking for Alexei back at the deadline. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ber...70aead2b04.html Good for Rick Hahn. Unless he absolutely needed to move Alexei, he shouldn't have a low price tag on him. Why should the Sox be in the business of helping the Cardinals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:02 AM) even after Rangers trading Kinsler?? Seems odd that they would trade him but would love to have him I agree. That makes no sense for a team that just traded for Prince Fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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