SoIL Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Per Rotoworld. Interesting stuff. If they are willing to take Ike Davis, I wonder if they would take Adan Dunn. Not sure having a steroid user is good for the club, but he does have some talent. Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog.com was told by "people familiar with the team’s thinking" that there is a better chance of the Brewers trading Ryan Braun for Ike Davis than Norichika Aoki. Well, that's something. Cerrone adds that the Brewers are willing to pay "a good chunk" of the $113 million remaining on Braun's contract to force a change of scenery in the aftermath of his PED suspension. We're skeptical of the reasoning in general and many teams would likely jump at the opportunity to acquire Braun at a discount after his transgressions, so this scenario is a long, long way from becoming a reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (SoIL @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 11:36 AM) Per Rotoworld. Interesting stuff. If they are willing to take Ike Davis, I wonder if they would take Adan Dunn. Not sure having a steroid user is good for the club, but he does have some talent. Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog.com was told by "people familiar with the team's thinking" that there is a better chance of the Brewers trading Ryan Braun for Ike Davis than Norichika Aoki. Well, that's something. Cerrone adds that the Brewers are willing to pay "a good chunk" of the $113 million remaining on Braun's contract to force a change of scenery in the aftermath of his PED suspension. We're skeptical of the reasoning in general and many teams would likely jump at the opportunity to acquire Braun at a discount after his transgressions, so this scenario is a long, long way from becoming a reality. I call 100% BS, but if it's true sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 No way they'd take Dunn, but give them Viciedo and call it an offseason. I don't think the Sox would need to do anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 A lot would have to depend on what any team who trades for him think his mental bounce-back will be. I definitely believe that PEDs help, but I also think that help is limited, so I expect him to have the potential to be a productive player still, especially if a sizeable chunk of the 113 is absorbed by the Brewers. However, he is going to have a ton of spotlight on him from ST day one. He hasn't shown the greatest track record of dealing with things, so that is a major gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Seriously, Ike Davis as the main piece for Ryan Braun? I too am calling BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Hell no. Brewers signed him. They can keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 What do Rick Hahn, Jerry Reinsdorf and Ryan Braun all have in common? Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) What do Rick Hahn, Jerry Reinsdorf and Ryan Braun all have in common? At least one of their proper names starts with R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Um, yeah. We should send Dunn and Viciedo and a toss in and no money changes hands. Dude's a jerk but he's an absolute monster hitter that you just don't get the chance to acquire at a fixed rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 waiting for bad hebrew hammer joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I wouldn't even trade Tyler Flowers for him straight up. The Brewers can keep that cheating clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) I wouldn't even trade Tyler Flowers for him straight up. The Brewers can keep that cheating clown. I understand where you're coming from as a fan, but I'm continually shocked at how often people on this site value the personal likability of players over winning. I'm not judging you for it, just saying it surprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 11:52 AM) Seriously, Ike Davis as the main piece for Ryan Braun? I too am calling BS. He is still owed $110+ million. that does factor in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) I understand where you're coming from as a fan, but I'm continually shocked at how often people on this site value the personal likability of players over winning. I'm not judging you for it, just saying it surprises me. When it's "Konerko deserves to go out on his own terms" or "Santiago is such a great guy", I kinda eye roll those type of things. With Braun, he's a despicable human being. The Brewers gave him his money. They can keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) He's a douchebag that handled a stressful situation terribly. Whatever. Doesn't change that fact that his lowest OPS+ ever was 131. If the Brew Crew throw in a bunch of cash and the teams stash it for the end of the deal he is going to make someone very happy. You don't get superstars at a discount for no reason and yes I understand he'll probably have a dip in production. There's a line I don't want the Sox to cross. I didn't like when they got Canseco and Manny. I don't want Braun no matter what. And yes, I'm sure we've all rooted for Sox players that juiced over the years, but I still wouldn't want the Sox to acquire players that have dirty records--especially how Braun's situation developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) He's a douchebag that handled a stressful situation terribly. Whatever. Doesn't change that fact that his lowest OPS+ ever was 131. If the Brew Crew throw in a bunch of cash and the teams stash it for the end of the deal he is going to make someone very happy. You don't get superstars at a discount for no reason and yes I understand he'll probably have a dip in production. The question is, are you willing to bet $110+ million on where that production will be with no steroids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) The question is, are you willing to bet $110+ million on where that production will be with no steroids? The article indicated the Brewers would assume a significant chunk of that, so it depends what portion is left that you are gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Just so it's said, I'd hate cheering for him to the point that I'd consume significantly less baseball. That'd be real good motivation to cancel my extra innings package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 11:48 AM) Just so it's said, I'd hate cheering for him to the point that I'd consume significantly less baseball. That'd be real good motivation to cancel my extra innings package. I'd hate to lose you as a fan, but don't let the door hit you on the way out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) The question is, are you willing to bet $110+ million on where that production will be with no steroids? I say yes, because the pre-suspension version of Braun VASTLY overproduced that pay rate. He's been a 7-8 WAR player being paid like a 4 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) Just so it's said, I'd hate cheering for him to the point that I'd consume significantly less baseball. That'd be real good motivation to cancel my extra innings package. I don't like him either, but man talk about a move that could speed up a rebuild... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) I don't like him either, but man talk about a move that could speed up a rebuild... I'd be so tempted to cheer against any team that traded for him...after 5 years I can't tell whether I'd still be a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) I say yes, because the pre-suspension version of Braun VASTLY overproduced that pay rate. He's been a 7-8 WAR player being paid like a 4 WAR player. Assuming of course that he wasn't cheating at that time as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Wait, the possibility of a team taking on a bad contract giving up next to nothing in return never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Wait, the possibility of a team taking on a bad contract giving up next to nothing in return never happens. Dude, if you are going to troll, at least get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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