Ryan Braun

[Dick Allen]

Ryan Braun is SO much better than Melky Cabrera EVER was. And please don't ever base an argument on Jose Canseco's insanity laced opinions.

 

I think the "answer" to PEDs is that they probably affect different guys very differently. I understand your thought that Braun is too big a risk given his contract and think it is reasonable. I fall on the other side because guys that have peaks as high as Braun's tend to age much better and (my opinion) have got to have a high level of natural talent in order to turn out those numbers, roids or not.

Melky was a 4.4 WAR in 113 games on the juice. Comes out to about 6.5 for a full year. He serves his suspension and was a -0.9 last year. Canseco is crazy, but he knows a lot about steroids.but if Jose Canseco doesn't think Jose Canseco would have been a major leaguer withoutp the juice, it should at least make you puse. Sammy Sosa before juice was nowhere near the offensive force he was when he was on them. McGwire had some rough years before he found the magic juice.Again, one of Braun's old friends said he was juicing at Miami, considering you said when suggested the Sox add $10 million payroll, that the suggestion was a reason why the suggester wouldn't have a billion dollar company, how does it make any sense to add a $100 million obligation before you really have a chance to see what you would get?

Edited November 20, 2013 by Dick Allen

[LittleHurt05]

It's a valid point. I think that it may have to with how horribly bad and horribly small market the Brewers are, though. But you could be right.

 

And he made Aaron Rodgers look bad which may be an unforgivable offense in Packer country.

[oldsox]

Melky Cabrera could be a good example. Jose Canseco actually said he wouldn't have been a major leaguer without steroids. I don't think that is something you risk $100 million trying to find out.

Braun was a geat hitter in college, and I never heard that he was using back then. Plus, he's done enough mea culpas to gag on. If he shaves his head, I'll take him.

[Balta1701]

Plus, he's done enough mea culpas to gag on.

I remember finding most of them to be very weak.

[Dick Allen]

Braun was a geat hitter in college, and I never heard that he was using back then. Plus, he's done enough mea culpas to gag on. If he shaves his head, I'll take him.

It was his old roommate or ex friend or teammate who said last summer he was juicing in college. There is a very real chance that unless someone here saw Braun play in high school or maybe it would have to be earlier than that, no one has seen him play clean. He didn't really get gigantic like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Canseco, but there would be a lot of risk acquiring him, especially considering he may be less popular than Albert Belle.

 

If he were a free agent, no way he gets anywhere near $100 million right now. If, for some reason, the steroids had no positive effect on his performance, you get a bargain. If you are just hoping you get $100 million worth of production out of the $100 million he is owed, i don't think it is worth it with all the baggage.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Dick Allen

[Steve9347]

Per Rotoworld. Interesting stuff. If they are willing to take Ike Davis, I wonder if they would take Adan Dunn. Not sure having a steroid user is good for the club, but he does have some talent.

 

 

Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog.com was told by "people familiar with the team’s thinking" that there is a better chance of the Brewers trading Ryan Braun for Ike Davis than Norichika Aoki.

Well, that's something. Cerrone adds that the Brewers are willing to pay "a good chunk" of the $113 million remaining on Braun's contract to force a change of scenery in the aftermath of his PED suspension. We're skeptical of the reasoning in general and many teams would likely jump at the opportunity to acquire Braun at a discount after his transgressions, so this scenario is a long, long way from becoming a reality.

Yes, please.

[JPN366]

Red Sox acquire him and his trangressions are wiped from everyones memory.

[Jake]

How do we know if he can continue to hit while (presumably) off the juice?

[Eminor3rd]

Melky was a 4.4 WAR in 113 games on the juice. Comes out to about 6.5 for a full year. He serves his suspension and was a -0.9 last year. Canseco is crazy, but he knows a lot about steroids.but if Jose Canseco doesn't think Jose Canseco would have been a major leaguer withoutp the juice, it should at least make you puse. Sammy Sosa before juice was nowhere near the offensive force he was when he was on them. McGwire had some rough years before he found the magic juice.Again, one of Braun's old friends said he was juicing at Miami, considering you said when suggested the Sox add $10 million payroll, that the suggestion was a reason why the suggester wouldn't have a billion dollar company, how does it make any sense to add a $100 million obligation before you really have a chance to see what you would get?

 

Braun just full seasons of nearly 8 WAR. That's an Alejandro De Aza better than Melky's extrapolated performance

 

The problem with those examples is that it's impossible to know how much better those players would have gotten WITHOUT the juice. We just can't isolate the variables. Again, I'd bet in some cases it was a lot and in others it wasn't. It's fair to be wary not knowing how much they affected him, I get that and that's a big question. There's a ton of upside though, and I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that there may be similar or less risk than even what goes into the Abreu contract.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Eminor3rd

[Eminor3rd]

If you are just hoping you get $100 million worth of production out of the $100 million he is owed, i don't think it is worth it with all the baggage.

 

I agree with this 100%

[Jose Abreu]

Yankees or Red Sox will get him, and he's suddenly the best baseball player ever and the whole steroid thing was false (Ortiz) according to ESPN and every fan. A great guy off the field.

[harfman77]

Could see a three way change of scenery trade where Kemp and a spect go to the Brewers, Braun goes to team X, and pitching goes to the Dodgers.

[witesoxfan]

Yankees or Red Sox will get him, and he's suddenly the best baseball player ever and the whole steroid thing was false (Ortiz) according to ESPN and every fan. A great guy off the field.

 

Yes, because this is exactly how people feel about Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez

[Jake]

Could see a three way change of scenery trade where Kemp and a spect go to the Brewers, Braun goes to team X, and pitching goes to the Dodgers.

 

Actually, this makes some real sense.

[LittleHurt05]

Could see a three way change of scenery trade where Kemp and a spect go to the Brewers, Braun goes to team X, and pitching goes to the Dodgers.

 

Kemp to the Brew Crew

Braun to the White Sox

Danks & Lindstrom to the Dodgers

 

Get it done Rick!!!

[Eminor3rd]

Kemp to the Brew Crew

Braun to the White Sox

Danks & Lindstrom to the Dodgers

 

Get it done Rick!!!

 

lol

[soxfan-kwman]

I Like the trade. If he hits nobody will care. I'd say Dunn & Danks. The Brewers have to eat one year of Dunn & they get a lefty who can pitch in the NL for sure. That would give us one less lefty starter & more pitching balance. With Detroit getting rid of another Lefty bat we need more right hand starting pitchers.

 

If we make that trade we can then sign Dan Haren for 2 years, re-sign Floyd for 2 years, & maybe sign Salty. With Braun only makes 10 mil next year, & 12 mil the following before his salary goes up to 19 mil in year 3 that would allow us to sign some more guys.

 

Sale

Haren

Quintana

Floyd

Santigo

 

Not bad?

 

1 De Aza

2 Garcia

3 Braun

4 Abreu

5 Salty

6 Vieciedo

7 Semien

8 Beckham

9 Ramirez

 

[Quin]

I Like the trade. If he hits nobody will care. I'd say Dunn & Danks. The Brewers have to eat one year of Dunn & they get a lefty who can pitch in the NL for sure. That would give us one less lefty starter & more pitching balance. With Detroit getting rid of another Lefty bat we need more right hand starting pitchers.

 

If we make that trade we can then sign Dan Haren for 2 years, re-sign Floyd for 2 years, & maybe sign Salty. With Braun only makes 10 mil next year, & 12 mil the following before his salary goes up to 19 mil in year 3 that would allow us to sign some more guys.

 

Sale

Haren

Quintana

Floyd

Santigo

 

Not bad?

 

1 De Aza

2 Garcia

3 Braun

4 Abreu

5 Salty

6 Vieciedo

7 Semien

8 Beckham

9 Ramirez

 

 

EJ would be in the rotation.

[harfman77]

Braun not being dealt.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/brew...ryan-braun.html

[JohnCangelosi]

I Like the trade. If he hits nobody will care. I'd say Dunn & Danks. The Brewers have to eat one year of Dunn & they get a lefty who can pitch in the NL for sure. That would give us one less lefty starter & more pitching balance. With Detroit getting rid of another Lefty bat we need more right hand starting pitchers.

 

If we make that trade we can then sign Dan Haren for 2 years, re-sign Floyd for 2 years, & maybe sign Salty. With Braun only makes 10 mil next year, & 12 mil the following before his salary goes up to 19 mil in year 3 that would allow us to sign some more guys.

 

Sale

Haren

Quintana

Floyd

Santigo

 

Not bad?

 

1 De Aza

2 Garcia

3 Braun

4 Abreu

5 Salty

6 Vieciedo

7 Semien

8 Beckham

9 Ramirez

 

Floyd isn't going to pitch in 2014 more than likely.

 

Also, what nobody has mentioned is the fact that Braun played all of 2012 and had a great year with no positive drug test. How anyone can assume he was juicing all year after the fiasco at the end of 2011 is beyond me. Again, I repeat, he had no failed drug tests in 2012, so how does everyone know he was juicing that year in which he had 41 HR's and raked all year?

 

[harfman77]

Floyd isn't going to pitch in 2014 more than likely.

 

Also, what nobody has mentioned is the fact that Braun played all of 2012 and had a great year with no positive drug test. How anyone can assume he was juicing all year after the fiasco at the end of 2011 is beyond me. Again, I repeat, he had no failed drug tests in 2012, so how does everyone know he was juicing that year in which he had 41 HR's and raked all year?

 

Given the typical time table Floyd should be good to go by the all star break.

[southsider2k5]

Floyd isn't going to pitch in 2014 more than likely.

 

Also, what nobody has mentioned is the fact that Braun played all of 2012 and had a great year with no positive drug test. How anyone can assume he was juicing all year after the fiasco at the end of 2011 is beyond me. Again, I repeat, he had no failed drug tests in 2012, so how does everyone know he was juicing that year in which he had 41 HR's and raked all year?

 

You know something that hasn't been reported yet? Last I knew, Floyd was already playing catch.