BlackSox13 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) It's Garry Brown. http://connect.masslive.com/user/gbrown413/posts.html Been in the BBWAA since 1977. OK, thanks for clarifying that. Makes much more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 05:52 PM) Thomas-less ballot: https://twitter.com/RRepoz/status/419252914310217728 Turned in a ballot with 9 names. No room for Frank. Old guy, by the way. Retired a few years ago. As far as I can tell, Frank is at 101/112- 90.2% Vote for Jack Morris but not Thomas....alllllrighttty then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 This Garry Brown guy voted for Morris, Raines, Bagwell, Biggio, and Edgar Martinez last year. So he voted for Biggio on his first ballot, but not Frank Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Hoping someone can explain to me how you vote for Player B over Player A. Thanks. G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Player A 2322 10075 8199 1494 2468 495 12 521 1704 32 23 1667 1397 0.301 0.419 0.555 0.974 156 4550 226 87 0 121 168 Player B 2055 8674 7213 1219 2247 514 15 309 1261 49 30 1283 1202 0.312 0.418 0.515 0.933 147 3718 190 89 10 77 113 PA: 5 TIME ALL STAR, 2 MVPS, 9 TOP-10 MVP, 4 SILVER SLUGGERS PB: 7 TIME ALL STAR, 0 MVPS, 2 TOP-10 MVP, 5 SILVER SLUGGERS ^^^^^ This last part makes very little sense, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Alright, who will be the jerk to vote against Greg Maddux? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Frank 103/114 -- 20% of the ballots 100 - Maddux 97.4 - Glavine 90.4 - F. Thomas 81.6 - Biggio 72.8 - Piazza 65.8 - Bagwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Up to 188 ballots, Frank still above 90%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) The Tribune writer's picks are in: Voting for 6, 7, or 8...I just don't get it. Some truly awful ballots. https://twitter.com/RRepoz I wouldn't be surprised if Fred Mitchell voted for Kent as a favor to Mark Gonzales, who is a Bay-area backer. Edited January 4, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 12:28 PM) The Tribune writer's picks are in: Voting for 6, 7, or 8...I just don't get it. Some truly awful ballots. https://twitter.com/RRepoz I wouldn't be surprised if Fred Mitchell voted for Kent as a favor to Mark Gonzales, who is a Bay-area backer. It's crazy that people with such terrible ballots can vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Should be able to revoke ballots due to sheer stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 This is pretty cool...grading each writer's ballot, with links to their columns and/or list of votes. http://tangotiger.com/index.php/site/artic...ect-hof-ballots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) The Tribune writers took the death blow to Piazza. I'm still saying Biggio is going under 75%. I also think Sosa, Palmeiro, and maybe McGwire go under 5%, which would be great. Updated: Jan.4 - 1:45 ~ 123 Full Ballots ~ (21.6% of vote ~ based on last year) 100 - Maddux 97.6 - Glavine 91.1 - F. Thomas 81.3 - Biggio ——————————— 71.5 - Piazza 64.2 - Bagwell 61.8 - Morris 60.2 - Raines 41.5 - Bonds 40.7 - Clemens 39.0 - Schilling 31.7 - Mussina 25.2 - Trammell 24.4 - E. Martinez 22.8 - L. Smith 15.4 - Kent 13.0 - McGriff 11.4 - L. Walker 9.8 - McGwire 7.3 - S. Sosa 6.5 - R. Palmeiro Edited January 4, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) The Tribune writers took the death blow to Piazza. I'm still saying Biggio is going under 75%. I also think Sosa, Palmeiro, and maybe McGwire go under 5%, which would be great. Updated: Jan.4 - 1:45 ~ 123 Full Ballots ~ (21.6% of vote ~ based on last year) 100 - Maddux 97.6 - Glavine 91.1 - F. Thomas 81.3 - Biggio ——————————— 71.5 - Piazza 64.2 - Bagwell 61.8 - Morris 60.2 - Raines 41.5 - Bonds 40.7 - Clemens 39.0 - Schilling 31.7 - Mussina 25.2 - Trammell 24.4 - E. Martinez 22.8 - L. Smith 15.4 - Kent 13.0 - McGriff 11.4 - L. Walker 9.8 - McGwire 7.3 - S. Sosa 6.5 - R. Palmeiro The votes on the PED group is interesting. You can almost see the thought process. McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro were considered HOF only because of the PEDs. While Bonds and Clemens were HOF caliber prior to the PED use but because of the use many won't vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 C'mon Big Frank, you da man, mang! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) The Tribune writers took the death blow to Piazza. I'm still saying Biggio is going under 75%. I also think Sosa, Palmeiro, and maybe McGwire go under 5%, which would be great. Updated: Jan.4 - 1:45 ~ 123 Full Ballots ~ (21.6% of vote ~ based on last year) 100 - Maddux 97.6 - Glavine 91.1 - F. Thomas 81.3 - Biggio ——————————— 71.5 - Piazza 64.2 - Bagwell 61.8 - Morris 60.2 - Raines 41.5 - Bonds 40.7 - Clemens 39.0 - Schilling 31.7 - Mussina 25.2 - Trammell 24.4 - E. Martinez 22.8 - L. Smith 15.4 - Kent 13.0 - McGriff 11.4 - L. Walker 9.8 - McGwire 7.3 - S. Sosa 6.5 - R. Palmeiro You're saying 123, huskers is saying 188. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 07:43 PM) You're saying 123, huskers is saying 188. It is 125 now. 91.2% http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Piazza not going in is somewhat criminal imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 You're saying 123, huskers is saying 188. I meant to say 118, that was a typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 08:47 PM) I meant to say 118, that was a typo. You rotten son of a b****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 06:34 PM) Hoping someone can explain to me how you vote for Player B over Player A. Thanks. G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Player A 2322 10075 8199 1494 2468 495 12 521 1704 32 23 1667 1397 0.301 0.419 0.555 0.974 156 4550 226 87 0 121 168 Player B 2055 8674 7213 1219 2247 514 15 309 1261 49 30 1283 1202 0.312 0.418 0.515 0.933 147 3718 190 89 10 77 113 PA: 5 TIME ALL STAR, 2 MVPS, 9 TOP-10 MVP, 4 SILVER SLUGGERS PB: 7 TIME ALL STAR, 0 MVPS, 2 TOP-10 MVP, 5 SILVER SLUGGERS ^^^^^ This last part makes very little sense, btw. Player A is black. Boom, roasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 BTW, Frank is down to needing 312 of the "remaining" 442 ballots. His percentage needed is down to 70.5% of remaining ballots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) Piazza not going in is somewhat criminal imo Not if the other steroid guys are getting denied too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Not if the other steroid guys are getting denied too Except that he's guilty by association, and I have yet to see any valid association of Piazza with steroid users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 09:23 PM) Except that he's guilty by association, and I have yet to see any valid association of Piazza with steroid users. Blame Bud for that. From that era, if he looked like a steroid user and hit like a steroid user, then I would say he was a steroid user. Don't see why he should get the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 4, 2014 -> 09:37 PM) Blame Bud for that. From that era, if he looked like a steroid user and hit like a steroid user, then I would say he was a steroid user. Don't see why he should get the benefit of the doubt. Then I would love to hear your reasoning behind keeping Thome and Griffey out of the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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