ptatc Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) Yeah, I get that, but for me that stands out as the time that the numbers on the offensive side really changed. The rookie HR record was just destroyed at that point. 40HRs became the new 25. Agreed. But if you remember from the Canseco book, PEDs had nothing to do with the record. Canseco introduced McGwire to PEDs after all that occurred, after he was in the MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 The 2014 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo! Updated: Jan.7 - 1:35 ~ 155 Full Ballots ~ (27.2% of vote ~ based on last year) 99.4 - Maddux 96.1 - Glavine 92.3 - F. Thomas 78.7 - Biggio ——————————— 69.0 - Piazza 61.3 - Bagwell 60.0 - Jack (The Jack) Morris 56.1 - Raines 41.3 - Bonds 40.6 - Clemens 38.1 - Schilling 29.7 - Mussina 24.5 - E. Martinez 24.5 - L. Smith 23.9 - Trammell 14.8 - Kent 14.2 - McGriff 9.7 - L. Walker 9.7 - McGwire 7.7 - S. Sosa 5.8 - R. Palmeiro 5.8 - Mattingly ——————————— 0.6 - P. Rose (Write-In) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) The 2014 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo! Updated: Jan.7 - 1:35 ~ 155 Full Ballots ~ (27.2% of vote ~ based on last year) 99.4 - Maddux 96.1 - Glavine 92.3 - F. Thomas 78.7 - Biggio ——————————— 69.0 - Piazza 61.3 - Bagwell 60.0 - Jack (The Jack) Morris 56.1 - Raines 41.3 - Bonds 40.6 - Clemens 38.1 - Schilling 29.7 - Mussina 24.5 - E. Martinez 24.5 - L. Smith 23.9 - Trammell 14.8 - Kent 14.2 - McGriff 9.7 - L. Walker 9.7 - McGwire 7.7 - S. Sosa 5.8 - R. Palmeiro 5.8 - Mattingly ——————————— 0.6 - P. Rose (Write-In) I wonder if it's the drug problems keeping Raines out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) I wonder if it's the drug problems keeping Raines out. I never have understood what is taking Raines and Lee Smith so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) The 2014 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo! Updated: Jan.7 - 1:35 ~ 155 Full Ballots ~ (27.2% of vote ~ based on last year) 99.4 - Maddux 96.1 - Glavine 92.3 - F. Thomas 78.7 - Biggio ——————————— 69.0 - Piazza 61.3 - Bagwell 60.0 - Jack (The Jack) Morris 56.1 - Raines 41.3 - Bonds 40.6 - Clemens 38.1 - Schilling 29.7 - Mussina 24.5 - E. Martinez 24.5 - L. Smith 23.9 - Trammell 14.8 - Kent 14.2 - McGriff 9.7 - L. Walker 9.7 - McGwire 7.7 - S. Sosa 5.8 - R. Palmeiro 5.8 - Mattingly ——————————— 0.6 - P. Rose (Write-In) Who voted for Pete Rose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 God bless whoever voted for Rose. Thomas seems like a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 01:42 PM) I never have understood what is taking Raines and Lee Smith so long. Here's one version of the case against smith. 21. Lee Smith (29.6 WAR) -- He obviously has his supporters, collecting 47.8 percent of the vote last year, more than Curt Schilling, Edgar Martinez, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker and Fred McGriff, not to mention the PED guys. I don’t get the love the Baseball Writers' Association of America has bestowed on closers, most of whom are failed starters (Smith had a 5.98 ERA in Double-A when he was converted to the bullpen), while at the same dismissing Martinez because he was primarily a DH or dismissing the all-around ability of a guy like Trammell. I mean, you don’t think David Cone would have been a great closer? Orel Hershiser? A vote for Smith is a vote for the position as much as for the value Smith actually provided in his career. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t excellent at his job. He was the all-time saves leader when he retired and led his league four times in saves. He even finished second, fourth, fifth and ninth in Cy Young voting, although his second-place finish in 1991 (47 saves, 2.34 ERA, 70 hits and 67 strikeouts in 73 innings) looks kind of funny in retrospect, as it wasn’t really that dominant a season other than the saves total. Was Smith ever the best reliever in the league? To me, he always seemed like a very good closer who lasted a long time. Well, let’s check. Using FanGraphs' WAR, here are Smith’s year-by-year rankings among MLB relievers: 1982: 8th 1983: 5th 1984: 4th 1985: 5th 1986: 8th 1987: 3rd 1988: 7th 1989: 17th 1990: 4th 1991: 9th 1992: 20th 1993: 87th 1994: 31st 1995: 30th By this method, he was never the best reliever in the league, although admittedly consistently excellent for that 10-year period from 1982 to 1991. Is that enough? Look, most closers don’t last 14 years on the job, so give Smith credit for his durability. But a 3.03 career ERA as a reliever -- most of that spent in the pre-steroids/high-offense era -- just doesn’t blow me away. If you’re a closer, I want to be blown away if I'm voting you for the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I agree with Schoenfield there on Lee Smith. Closers have to blow it out of the water to get in the Hall. Truthfully, after Rivera gets in, they should close it off for the under 80 innings pitchers. I don't even want Trevor Hoffman in even though he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) link? it's in his book for cryin out loud http://metsblog.com/news/mike-piazza/mike-...-upcoming-book/ he also admits to using amphetamines, another PED dude was doing everything in his power to boost his game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (Real @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) it's in his book for cryin out loud http://metsblog.com/news/mike-piazza/mike-...-upcoming-book/ he also admits to using amphetamines, another PED dude was doing everything in his power to boost his game Hank Aaron used amphetamines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ing_gizmo/P1000 Updated: Jan.7 - 4:15 ~ 161 Full Ballots ~ (28.3% of vote ~ based on last year) 99.4 - Maddux 96.3 - Glavine 90.7 - F. Thomas 78.9 - Biggio ——————————— 67.7 - Piazza 60.2 - Bagwell 60.2 - Jack (The Jack) Morris 55.3 - Raines 41.6 - Bonds 41.0 - Clemens 36.6 - Schilling 29.2 - Mussina 26.1 - L. Smith 24.2 - E. Martinez 24.2 - Trammell 14.3 - Kent 13.7 - McGriff 9.3 - L. Walker 9.3 - McGwire 7.5 - S. Sosa 6.2 - R. Palmeiro 5.6 - Mattingly ——————————— 0.6 - P. Rose (Write-In) Thanks to Butch, Ilychs Morales, leokitty & Barnald for their help. As usual…send them in if you come across any ballots! Dropped a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) Dropped a little He'll be fine. I said it when this started, he is a 90% guy. Even if you factor in a grumpy old man factor Frank isn't about to drop 15 percentage points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 2 of the last 6 didn't vote for him. What lameos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Frank is at 154-170. 90.6% The percentages are coming down, but I think Frank is safe. Biggio at 78.8%. Sosa and Palmeiro falling off the ballot is a strong possibility. Larry Walker is way down there too. Even though I wouldn't vote for him, I hope he doesn't fall off the ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 89.7% out of 194 votes (approx 174/194) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/how-ml...p;vkey=news_mlb This made me very, very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (Real @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) it's in his book for cryin out loud http://metsblog.com/news/mike-piazza/mike-...-upcoming-book/ he also admits to using amphetamines, another PED dude was doing everything in his power to boost his game 80-90% of all players before the drug testing started used amphetamines. It was readily available in the coffee in every clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 07:26 AM) 80-90% of all players before the drug testing started used amphetamines. It was readily available in the coffee in every clubhouse. that's...... fine, but it doesn't refute anything I said androstenedione is a PED, has always been, same with amphetamines they weren't always banned substances but that isn't what was said what was said was "piazza never used PEDs", which is 100% false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Today is the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Today is the day! I am going to be on the road on my way to a Dr. Appt. at 2pm. Recording MLBN at home though, so I'll get to see it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) I am going to be on the road on my way to a Dr. Appt. at 2pm. Recording MLBN at home though, so I'll get to see it later. I'm sure it'll be covered by The Score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'm sure it'll be covered by The Score. I'm a couple hundred miles outside their range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 08:06 AM) I'm a couple hundred miles outside their range. Really? I was able to get it in Iowa City pretty okay, and even in Pittsburgh I could vaguely make out the play by play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (OsweGo-Go Sox @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Really? I was able to get it in Iowa City pretty okay, and even in Pittsburgh I could vaguely make out the play by play. Was this after sunset? AM radio waves tend to travel farther at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 06:51 AM) http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/how-ml...p;vkey=news_mlb This made me very, very sad. I typically do not believe in harrassing or making personal attacks against people - in person or online - but I think I can make an exception on this one. Gurnick is an absolute f***ing douche tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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