Eminor3rd Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 15, 2013 -> 12:49 AM) This is exactly who Frank Thomas was to the fans who followed him closest. I'm sure many of you can attest as well with similar stories. Frank was the reason I became a Sox fan. Being a born and raised Southern Californian, there really was no other reason for a 7 year old boy to latch onto the Chicago White Sox. All it took was one ESPN highlight of him mashing a Mike Mussina meatball out to the left field concourse. And so a childhood obsession began. Whenever the Sox were in town playing the Angels, my dad took work off... Bringing me with him for a series long indulgence of modern day Cracker Jack glory. My pops was a pretty smart guy - the first thing he taught me about the spectator side of Baseball was, "get to the park early." Real early. Four hours early. We would wait for players to arrive and get their signatures with a black felt tip Sharpie pen. It was a crap shoot I'd soon learn. Some players would quickly sign for a couple of people without breaking stride or taking their sun glasses off. Others would treat fans as if they where air and walk right by. The first time I saw Frank Thomas walk up with his six foot five frame holding two hundred and something pounds of muscle - I figured it would be a tough autograph to pull off. He always was dressed as a consummate professional. A full suit with a coat. Nice slacks and a fleece sweater. Not flashy or arrogant but rather, as a man who was there to do a job. Being that he was one of the most talented players on the planet - I expected him to just blow by all the fans. They swarmed up quickly... Clearly everyone had really been waiting for him. It was a shock seeing what happened: Frank walked up to the entrance door. Removed his glasses. Turned around and smiled. He said two words, "Line up!" and then resumed back to smiling. About fifty or a hundred people would stand in a single file line. We all fell into formation. The Big Hurt stood there and signed every autograph. He shook any outstretched hand. He posed for any picture requested. He treated everyone as if they where equals. The respect we had for him as a baseball player was returned to us tenfold as fans. The first time I saw this system - I figured we just came on the right day. Got lucky. It was a priceless moment. I've no clue who won or lost the actual game but I'll never forget that moment. After the stadium emptied, my dad turned to me and asked if I wanted to wait for the players again - this time catching them as they exited. To a seven year old, "sure!" is the only possible response. And so we waited. About two hours later, Frank appeared at the player door, yet again in his professional attire. Everyone saw him and lined up. The man signed autographs for at least another hour. Amazing. And so began a family tradition. For nearly the next decade - we always saw the Sox play in Anaheim. More often than not, Frank would sign for hours before or after a game... Sometimes both. Unbelievable. Consistent. Humble. Amazing. Powerful. One of a kind. Those are words that not only define his career on the field but they also are appropriate descriptions of his character. Two years ago, right before getting married and starting a family of my own - I had a chance to save up some cash and surprise my dad with a trip to Chicago. It was our first trip to The Homeland after all of those years on enemy grounds. I wrote to Brooks Boyer and told him a little about my Dad and his selfless dedication to me during all of those Sox away games. After so many years waiting around for autographs and seeing the Angles beat our Sox - my pops was finally treated to a surprise on a new level. Brooks instructed me to meet him at the field on our last game of a 7 game set. We arrived an hour before gates opened to the public. He greeted us - shook my dads hand... And walked us into the executive offices. He walked us down under the stadium, by the players locker rooms, and up through the umpire tunnel. We arrived behind home plate. The look on my Dads face was priceless. He had no clue any of this would happen. Standing behind home plate, on the dirt of US Cellular Field... My old man cracked a smile like Frank Thomas always showed and teared up a bit. Bad. Ass. Thanks Frank Thomas for introducing me to the White Sox. Thanks for absolutely crushing baseballs. For inspiring me to play the game. For showing me how to handle success with grace. For affording me the opportunity to know gratitude and show appreciation on a Big Hurt scale. Thanks for leading me to the best organization in all of sports. An organization where everyone from the top down treats each other like a family. Thanks for being a legend of mythic proportion that can now be passed down to a son of my own once he's born this March. He'll be three weeks old when the 2014 season opens this year. He'll be wrapped in his first Sox jersey - watching his first game with Daddy. Here's to hoping that by 2021 - when I go wait around with my boy at first first ball game - that some now unknown player will treat us with so much dignity. I doubt there will ever again be a player of such a Big Hurt magnitude. But hey, here's to hoping... Right. Frank Thomas is already in the Hall of Fame to me. Period. So this is what happens when hi8is doesn't just reply with "Poop." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 15, 2013 -> 01:49 AM) This is exactly who Frank Thomas was to the fans who followed him closest. I'm sure many of you can attest as well with similar stories. Frank was the reason I became a Sox fan. Being a born and raised Southern Californian, there really was no other reason for a 7 year old boy to latch onto the Chicago White Sox. All it took was one ESPN highlight of him mashing a Mike Mussina meatball out to the left field concourse. And so a childhood obsession began. Whenever the Sox were in town playing the Angels, my dad took work off... Bringing me with him for a series long indulgence of modern day Cracker Jack glory. My pops was a pretty smart guy - the first thing he taught me about the spectator side of Baseball was, "get to the park early." Real early. Four hours early. We would wait for players to arrive and get their signatures with a black felt tip Sharpie pen. It was a crap shoot I'd soon learn. Some players would quickly sign for a couple of people without breaking stride or taking their sun glasses off. Others would treat fans as if they where air and walk right by. The first time I saw Frank Thomas walk up with his six foot five frame holding two hundred and something pounds of muscle - I figured it would be a tough autograph to pull off. He always was dressed as a consummate professional. A full suit with a coat. Nice slacks and a fleece sweater. Not flashy or arrogant but rather, as a man who was there to do a job. Being that he was one of the most talented players on the planet - I expected him to just blow by all the fans. They swarmed up quickly... Clearly everyone had really been waiting for him. It was a shock seeing what happened: Frank walked up to the entrance door. Removed his glasses. Turned around and smiled. He said two words, "Line up!" and then resumed back to smiling. About fifty or a hundred people would stand in a single file line. We all fell into formation. The Big Hurt stood there and signed every autograph. He shook any outstretched hand. He posed for any picture requested. He treated everyone as if they where equals. The respect we had for him as a baseball player was returned to us tenfold as fans. The first time I saw this system - I figured we just came on the right day. Got lucky. It was a priceless moment. I've no clue who won or lost the actual game but I'll never forget that moment. After the stadium emptied, my dad turned to me and asked if I wanted to wait for the players again - this time catching them as they exited. To a seven year old, "sure!" is the only possible response. And so we waited. About two hours later, Frank appeared at the player door, yet again in his professional attire. Everyone saw him and lined up. The man signed autographs for at least another hour. Amazing. And so began a family tradition. For nearly the next decade - we always saw the Sox play in Anaheim. More often than not, Frank would sign for hours before or after a game... Sometimes both. Unbelievable. Consistent. Humble. Amazing. Powerful. One of a kind. Those are words that not only define his career on the field but they also are appropriate descriptions of his character. Two years ago, right before getting married and starting a family of my own - I had a chance to save up some cash and surprise my dad with a trip to Chicago. It was our first trip to The Homeland after all of those years on enemy grounds. I wrote to Brooks Boyer and told him a little about my Dad and his selfless dedication to me during all of those Sox away games. After so many years waiting around for autographs and seeing the Angles beat our Sox - my pops was finally treated to a surprise on a new level. Brooks instructed me to meet him at the field on our last game of a 7 game set. We arrived an hour before gates opened to the public. He greeted us - shook my dads hand... And walked us into the executive offices. He walked us down under the stadium, by the players locker rooms, and up through the umpire tunnel. We arrived behind home plate. The look on my Dads face was priceless. He had no clue any of this would happen. Standing behind home plate, on the dirt of US Cellular Field... My old man cracked a smile like Frank Thomas always showed and teared up a bit. Bad. Ass. Thanks Frank Thomas for introducing me to the White Sox. Thanks for absolutely crushing baseballs. For inspiring me to play the game. For showing me how to handle success with grace. For affording me the opportunity to know gratitude and show appreciation on a Big Hurt scale. Thanks for leading me to the best organization in all of sports. An organization where everyone from the top down treats each other like a family. Thanks for being a legend of mythic proportion that can now be passed down to a son of my own once he's born this March. He'll be three weeks old when the 2014 season opens this year. He'll be wrapped in his first Sox jersey - watching his first game with Daddy. Here's to hoping that by 2021 - when I go wait around with my boy at first first ball game - that some now unknown player will treat us with so much dignity. I doubt there will ever again be a player of such a Big Hurt magnitude. But hey, here's to hoping... Right. Frank Thomas is already in the Hall of Fame to me. Period. Easily POTY. Amazing story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 06:48 AM) I wish every voter could see this. I am so impressed... you didn't say poop once ! Who are you and what have you done with Hi8is ? Are you going to name your son Frank ? Congrats man ! Thanks buddy! I figured that we'll be seeing enough poop, the term can be retired in many posts. His name is going to be Ti Lamond Caesar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Phil Rogers @philgrogers 7m I will vote for Frank Thomas, Jack Morris and others but agree w/Bill Deane that Greg Maddux will be only one elected. System is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 12:19 PM) Phil Rogers @philgrogers 7m I will vote for Frank Thomas, Jack Morris and others but agree w/Bill Deane that Greg Maddux will be only one elected. System is broken. Good. If Maddux is the only one, they have no choice but to change something about the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) Good. If Maddux is the only one, they have no choice but to change something about the process. Agreed. Even the monolith of arrogance that is the HoF will not enjoy the withering criticism that will ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 From the early returns over at Baseball Think Factory is seems most voters are voting for 10 guys and that Frank is one of the 10. Frank would get in eventually but as a huge Frank fan and Sox fan it seems the guy was almost always chronically under-rated and didn't get the accolades a top 20 hitter of all time should have received. That he had one of the greatest offensive seasons of all time cut short by the strike adds further insult to injury (perceived, perhaps). It would be nice if he could add "1st Ballot HOF" to his resume although I get the "HOFer is a HOFer" argument there is something about going in on the 1st ballot that would make up for any slights -- perceived or otherwise -- during his playing days. And yea, the voters have nobody to blame but themselves for this current backlog, there are a lot of HOF worthy players on the ballot and some of them, like Trammel and Raines ,are going to probably get fugged because of the situation the voters put themselves in with so many worthy candidates now coming on the ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Thanks so much for sharing hi8is. Sometimes I look at the way I and many other Americans look at sports and I can see how strange it seems. It doesn't seem like something that would organically happen with any intelligent beings. For what it is, it is oddly infused with money. It is practically the only institution we hold so dear that we exempt it from anti-trust law. I feel unreasonable feelings related to sports. Why should a White Sox game of any kind, let alone a September game in the lost 2013 season, totally ruin my day? Why do I weep when I watch the 2005 WS DVDs? I tend to wonder whether it's justifiable. Why so much money? So much time? So much emotional investment? hi8is just showed why it is we allow it to exist, why we invest so much into it. When I watch "Field of Dreams" and cry in the scene where father and son play catch together, it's because doing baseball stuff with my dad are some of the most important and meaningful things in my life. Watching, training, playing baseball together. It's great that hi8is has gotten something just as meaningful from it. Even better, Frank Thomas has embraced his role as somebody that can foster that kind of deep joy in other people's lives. Sure, his play was awesome and he didn't owe us anything else. Great players make us happy. It's so awesome though that he knew he had the power to bring the kind of real, visceral satisfaction that is possible via experiences with baseball. Great story hi8is. Edited December 22, 2013 by Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Does anyone remember the site that took posts and articles from people who had HOF votes and put them all in one place to track as many of the writers votes as possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2013 -> 05:22 PM) Does anyone remember the site that took posts and articles from people who had HOF votes and put them all in one place to track as many of the writers votes as possible? Enjoy http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 26, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) Enjoy http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo It would be pretty incredible to see Thomas inducted on the first ballot while Sosa is eliminated on his second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Well I cast my vote through deadspin's vote, I voted for Frank, don't worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 26, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) It would be pretty incredible to see Thomas inducted on the first ballot while Sosa is eliminated on his second. That ballot looks pretty much like I was thinking the voting would go. (obviously no one at 100%, but in terms of Frank, Glavine, and Maddux being easy ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I realize that only a small sample size of votes has been made available, but I just don't understand how Glavine can get that much more support than Frank. I always thought he was a bit overrated and Frank was clearly the more dominant of the two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 27, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) I realize that only a small sample size of votes has been made available, but I just don't understand how Glavine can get that much more support than Frank. I always thought he was a bit overrated and Frank was clearly the more dominant of the two players. I think some of it is the DH issue. Some voters still are biased against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 27, 2013 -> 12:23 PM) I think some of it is the DH issue. Some voters still are biased against it. I kind of understand some of the reservations of putting a DH in the hall, but I just don't see how they use it to penalize Frank. I mean he did play almost 1000 games at 1B and the reason he's going to the Hall is because of the numbers he put up as a first basemen. I'm sure a lot of the writers who don't vote for Frank will be quick to vote for Rivera and he only pitched one inning every couple games. Edited December 27, 2013 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 27, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) I realize that only a small sample size of votes has been made available, but I just don't understand how Glavine can get that much more support than Frank. I always thought he was a bit overrated and Frank was clearly the more dominant of the two players. I can understand Glavine being on 100% of the ballots. I can't understand Frank not being on 100% of the ballots. But I can't understand how a lot of these baseball writers have their jobs either, so what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 9m Just faxed in my hall of fame ballot. Voted for the full 10. Prepared for the requisite blogger abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Chris De Luca @ChrisDeLuca 35m My HallofFame ballot: Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Maddux, Piazza, Sosa & F.Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Anyone who votes for Sosa is an idiot. Anyone who turns in a ballot with less than 10 names is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 30, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) Anyone who votes for Sosa is an idiot. Anyone who turns in a ballot with less than 10 names is an idiot. The guys I think are idiots are the ones I've seen who were voting for Bonds but not Clemens or vice versa. What's the logic in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 With 71 ballots made public, Frank is looking good to get in. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 30, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) With 71 ballots made public, Frank is looking good to get in. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Really shocked to see Piazza as high as he is, and Morris below him. Updated: Dec. 30 - 12:50 ~ 71 Full Ballots ~ (12.5% of vote ~ based on last year) 100 - Maddux 98.6 - Glavine 87.3 - F. Thomas 81.7 - Biggio ——————————— 73.2 - Piazza 64.8 - Bagwell 64.8 - Jack (The Jack) Morris 54.9 - Raines 45.1 - Bonds 43.7 - Clemens 42.3 - Schilling 32.4 - Mussina 23.9 - L. Smith 22.5 - Trammell 16.9 - McGriff 15.5 - E. Martinez 12.7 - Kent 12.7 - L. Walker 9.9 - McGwire 8.5 - R. Palmeiro 7.0 - S. Sosa ——————————— 2.8 - Mattingly 1.4 - P. Rose (Write-In) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 30, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) With 71 ballots made public, Frank is looking good to get in. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo Awesome! Frank really should get in on the first ballot. Edited December 30, 2013 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Glavine is going to get a bump just because of Greg Maddux and Bobby Cox going in. Not that he doesn't deserve to go in, but some will vote for him in his first year just because of the link. I bet he stays over 90%. I'd also like to see McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro fall under 5%. I mean, really. With only 10 spots open, who is has space for these three? Good god. Use your brain. Edited December 30, 2013 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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