LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 So does this mean the Red Sox collapse in September 2014 and AJ makes it a cool 3 for 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 10:20 PM) AJ back to the Sox makes way too much sense...except for the inexplicable backlash from a weird part of our fanbase. Yes, because it's imperative that the Sox win 78 games this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 This is great news. No idea why you guys wanted to settle for a one year stopgap before the Winter Meetings even start. To me, that is the much "weirder" part of the fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 07:29 AM) Never would have thought Boston would sign him.. not because of the clubhouse "issues" but because of their own traditional philosophy with hitters. AJ is still a good hitting catcher and he makes the most sense on a contender. With that short RF, he could be back to 20+ homers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) This is great news. No idea why you guys wanted to settle for a one year stopgap before the Winter Meetings even start. To me, that is the much "weirder" part of the fanbase. Yes. He was a fan favorite, but bringing him back would have been a move looking backwards. The Sox need to find a catcher that they can play for the next 5-10 years. Bringing back Pierzynski gives them, at the very most, 2 years, and you end up doing it 1 year at a time. It's just not smart business. I love AJ and have a deep appreciation for what he brought to the franchise for 8 years, but he was just not a viable solution looking forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) Yes. He was a fan favorite, but bringing him back would have been a move looking backwards. The Sox need to find a catcher that they can play for the next 5-10 years. Bringing back Pierzynski gives them, at the very most, 2 years, and you end up doing it 1 year at a time. It's just not smart business. I love AJ and have a deep appreciation for what he brought to the franchise for 8 years, but he was just not a viable solution looking forward. Not a lot of teams have a guy they can say with any confidence will be their catcher the next 5-10 years. You are lucky if you get a guy for 3 or 4. Edited December 3, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:21 AM) Not a lot of teams have a guy they can say with any confidence will be their catcher the next 5-10 years. You are lucky if you get a guy for 3 or 4. But the only reason why you should consider a guy who would be your starter for the next 1-2 is if on paper you have a team that is competitive for that first year going in to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) This is great news. No idea why you guys wanted to settle for a one year stopgap before the Winter Meetings even start. To me, that is the much "weirder" part of the fanbase. Weird is starting a thread about Lou Marson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Peavy must be thrilled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) Yes, because it's imperative that the Sox win 78 games this season. No one ever claimed he would put us over the hump.... An old, lefty stop gap catcher that you can potentially pawn off for a piece is just what the doctor ordered for this team. A lot better than giving Salty 4 years or whatever he will get IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 10h Two sources say it's unlikely catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia will return to the #RedSox. Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 10h Sounds like the Jarrod Saltalamacchia situation is percolating. #Twins, #Marlins, #RedSox https://twitter.com/PeteAbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:21 AM) Not a lot of teams have a guy they can say with any confidence will be their catcher the next 5-10 years. You are lucky if you get a guy for 3 or 4. The point is that you are looking for a long term solution. You are discussing semantics, which, ok, I guess. QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) No one ever claimed he would put us over the hump.... An old, lefty stop gap catcher that you can potentially pawn off for a piece is just what the doctor ordered for this team. A lot better than giving Salty 4 years or whatever he will get IMO. You would bring in AJ Pierzynski only to deal him at the deadline. For what he gave this franchise, I think that's a huge slap in the face. It would also take quite a time convincing him to come in using that pitch. More likely is that AJ never had any interest in re-signing with the Sox, regardless of their interest level (which was still probably nil) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 10h Sounds like the Jarrod Saltalamacchia situation is percolating. #Twins, #Marlins, #RedSox https://twitter.com/PeteAbe what the hell does that even mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) what the hell does that even mean? He's getting closer to signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:43 AM) The point is that you are looking for a long term solution. You are discussing semantics, which, ok, I guess. You would bring in AJ Pierzynski only to deal him at the deadline. For what he gave this franchise, I think that's a huge slap in the face. It would also take quite a time convincing him to come in using that pitch. More likely is that AJ never had any interest in re-signing with the Sox, regardless of their interest level (which was still probably nil) The point is, unless you already have him, you aren't going to acquire a guy who is going to be your catcher for 5 to 10 years. Playing guys that don't belong in the major leagues because they are in their 20s and theoretically can still be in the major leagues in 10 years just based on age is crazy. How many teams have had the same primary catcher the last 5 years? Stopgaps are used by just about everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:47 AM) The point is, unless you already have him, you aren't going to acquire a guy who is going to be your catcher for 5 to 10 years. Playing guys that don't belong in the major leagues because they are in their 20s and theoretically can still be in the major leagues in 10 years just based on age is crazy. How many teams have had the same primary catcher the last 5 years? Stopgaps are used by just about everyone. And that could very well be what Phegley and Flowers are. They both have decent minor league track records and both failed in their first attempts as starters. That has happened in history. Bringing back AJ to a team that is going to struggle to win 80 games is an inefficient use of resources. I don't mind if they bring in 3 more catchers or if they use stop gaps. The idea should still be to try and find a long term solution. Edited December 3, 2013 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 02:43 PM) The point is that you are looking for a long term solution. You are discattention ng semantics, which, ok, I guess. You would bring in AJ Pierzynski only to deal him at the deadline. For what he gave this franchise, I think that's a huge slap in the face. It would also take quite a time convincing him to come in using that pitch. More likely is that AJ never had any interest in re-signing with the Sox, regardless of their interest level (which was still probably nil) Nah, you bring him in to see if you can win. If not, trade him to a contender where he will be happier. You also grab a lot of much needed media attention in the process. As for where he would sign, I'm sure it's wherever the money is, like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) No one ever claimed he would put us over the hump.... An old, lefty stop gap catcher that you can potentially pawn off for a piece is just what the doctor ordered for this team. A lot better than giving Salty 4 years or whatever he will get IMO. It buys you another year to look for your future C, as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) It buys you another year to look for your future C, as far as I am concerned. By making sure that when we go into next offseason we have exactly the same problem as we have now, Phegley and Flowers who are too good for AAA but who haven't produced in long stints in the big leagues. Except Flowers is a year more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) Flowers who are too good for AAA I wouldnt say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:16 AM) I wouldnt say that He's more than earned his spot in the majors, thus, he's too good for AAA. I'm sure he could play and he might put up a .950 OPS or he might put up a .750 OPS, but he would more than hold his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) By making sure that when we go into next offseason we have exactly the same problem as we have now, Phegley and Flowers who are too good for AAA but who haven't produced in long stints in the big leagues. Except Flowers is a year more expensive. I don't understand. Signing a guy like AJ shows the White Sox realize neither Phegley or Flowers are cut out to be regular catchers. At least their regular catchers. They probably realize this already. Signing Flowers was a formality. It is low cost, and they can waive him in spring training and pay him pennies to go away, or trade him for someone else's hot garbage if he hasn't shown improvement. He has proven in the past to be a capable back up. Chances are the Sox long-term catching question isn't going to be solved this offseason, and probably next offseason or the off season after that. Sometimes you just have to buy yourself some time. Edited December 3, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) I'm sure he could play and he might put up a .950 OPS or he might put up a .750 OPS, but he would more than hold his own. That would have been nice last year too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) It buys you another year to look for your future C, as far as I am concerned. AJ is not the type that would be OK riding the pine while you were experimenting with options to be the long term solution. It is better to bring in a solid backup and give the guys in house a larger sample size to determine if they can be long term solutions. If they both fail you can go outside of the organization and find another guy to try. AJ coming in would have prevented you from being able to do that or would have caused some major locker room issues if you sign him and don't play him enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 3, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) AJ is not the type that would be OK riding the pine while you were experimenting with options to be the long term solution. It is better to bring in a solid backup and give the guys in house a larger sample size to determine if they can be long term solutions. If they both fail you can go outside of the organization and find another guy to try. AJ coming in would have prevented you from being able to do that or would have caused some major locker room issues if you sign him and don't play him enough. How much do you have to see to determine if a guy is a "long-term" solution? Does anyone really think Flowers or Phegley are legitimately full time catchers in the major leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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