Why Not Cano?

[caulfield12]

I assure you, people know who Konerko was. Guys who hit .280 with over 40 homers for a career (or whatever it was) get recognized. He was just never a superstar type player. You don't need those players to have a good team. You just need good players.

 

Has there been a contract of more than $150 million given out to a player that the originating team didn't regret at some point in time?

 

 

Maybe for Derek Jeter? Although that long contract had its moments in recent years as well.

 

But I'm pretty sure the Yankees have never regretted that investment, all things considered.

 

 

 

It's also one of the reasons they're shying away from a HUGE Cano deal. They don't want to set a precedent by paying Cano more than Jeter's long term contract, even though times have changed quite a bit.

[Dick Allen]

I just don't think it matters all that much...heck, Omogrosso in 2012 was probably better than Lindstrom last season.

 

That's where you get into this argument about veteran guys like Lindstrom or Konerko taking time from other players in the organization.

 

It's a Catch-22. Is there more value in his "veteran presence" or being able to trade him at the deadline...or giving more opportunities in that 7th inning role to a Daniel Webb?

 

Is Leury Garcia going to get screwed over by the Konerko move...or is it better for him to be playing everyday at Charlotte with Semien?

 

If there's any place on the roster that's BEGGING for veteran leadership, it's at catcher, where we have NOBODY that can even make a claim on the position in AA or AAA. I would rather spend $4-5 million there any day of the week than on a middle reliever.

 

2012 showed that could still succeed without a ton of veterans contributing in the bullpen, other than Jesse Crain. For all intents and purposes, Matt Thornton was already a shade of his former self by then and they still did just fine for the majority of the season with about 10 rookies filling roles down there.

I think this improves Leury's chances of making the team as he plays both infield and outfield.

[witesoxfan]

I just don't think it matters all that much...heck, Omogrosso in 2012 was probably better than Lindstrom last season.

 

That's where you get into this argument about veteran guys like Lindstrom or Konerko taking time from other players in the organization.

 

It's a Catch-22. Is there more value in his "veteran presence" or being able to trade him at the deadline...or giving more opportunities in that 7th inning role to a Daniel Webb?

 

Is Leury Garcia going to get screwed over by the Konerko move...or is it better for him to be playing everyday at Charlotte with Semien?

 

If there's any place on the roster that's BEGGING for veteran leadership, it's at catcher, where we have NOBODY that can even make a claim on the position in AA or AAA. I would rather spend $4-5 million there any day of the week than on a middle reliever.

 

2012 showed that could still succeed without a ton of veterans contributing in the bullpen, other than Jesse Crain. For all intents and purposes, Matt Thornton was already a shade of his former self by then and they still did just fine for the majority of the season with about 10 rookies filling roles down there.

 

Brian Omogrosso threw 21 innings in 2012. I'm just going to ignore that.

 

Frankly, I think managers prefer having veterans so that someone else can basically help them with the transition into the majors. I doubt Leury is going to get screwed out of this because he'll likely report to AAA.

 

I wouldn't mind a veteran, but a veteran catcher fills a very narrow need. Frankly, Konerko is a backup to 2 guys, so he'll have more use as a player, while a backup catcher would be a backup to 1. That's why I feel that having a strong catcher's coach or mentor or whatever you want to call it is important.

 

And the bullpen in 2012 featured Brett Myers and Matt Thornton as well. There was a veteran presence.

 

Maybe for Derek Jeter? Although that long contract had its moments in recent years as well.

 

But I'm pretty sure the Yankees have never regretted that investment, all things considered.

 

 

 

It's also one of the reasons they're shying away from a HUGE Cano deal. They don't want to set a precedent by paying Cano more than Jeter's long term contract, even though times have changed quite a bit.

 

That's about the only one I can think of too, and it's debateable to as whether or not he's even been worth it.

[caulfield12]

Brian Omogrosso threw 21 innings in 2012. I'm just going to ignore that.

 

Frankly, I think managers prefer having veterans so that someone else can basically help them with the transition into the majors. I doubt Leury is going to get screwed out of this because he'll likely report to AAA.

 

I wouldn't mind a veteran, but a veteran catcher fills a very narrow need. Frankly, Konerko is a backup to 2 guys, so he'll have more use as a player, while a backup catcher would be a backup to 1. That's why I feel that having a strong catcher's coach or mentor or whatever you want to call it is important.

And the bullpen in 2012 featured Brett Myers and Matt Thornton as well. There was a veteran presence.

 

 

 

That's about the only one I can think of too, and it's debateable to as whether or not he's even been worth it.

 

 

 

Mark Parent is a former catcher.

 

I know he's the bench coach, but I'm not exactly clear how influential he is or has been with catching position.

 

If he has been working extensively with those guys, whatever he's doing isn't working so far.

[Balta1701]

That's about the only one I can think of too, and it's debateable to as whether or not he's even been worth it.

It depends on how you define "Worth it".

 

I don't see the Red Sox giving back the 2 world series trophies they won with Manroid Ramiroid on their roster, and I don't see the Yankees giving back the trophy they won with ARoid, Texeira, and Captain Cheeseburger on their roster.

 

I think those world series titles probably generated enough revenue for those teams to more than offset the costs associated with the years at the end of those contracts.

[caulfield12]

It depends on how you define "Worth it".

 

I don't see the Red Sox giving back the 2 world series trophies they won with Manroid Ramiroid on their roster, and I don't see the Yankees giving back the trophy they won with ARoid, Texeira, and Captain Cheeseburger on their roster.

 

I think those world series titles probably generated enough revenue for those teams to more than offset the costs associated with the years at the end of those contracts.

 

If David Ortiz ever had a $150+ million million deal, you'd have to consider from the Red Sox perspective that it was definitely worth it as well, in line with the Jeter deal with the Yanks.

 

You can't argue with 3 World Series titles from 2004-2013 when that franchise had gone 80-90 years without one.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Mariners offering Cano 10yrs/$230M per MLB Network.

[Chicago White Sox]

Mariners offering Cano 10yrs/$230M per MLB Network.

Wow, I can't believe anyone would actually give him 10 years. I was all for Cano at 7 years, but even that was seriously pushing his useful life. Those last 3 to 5 years are going to be pretty rough for the Mariners if this goes through.

[harfman77]

Per MLB trade rumors,

 

Mariners went to 9/$225; Jay-Z insisted on 10/$252, and now the Mariners pulled their offer.

[harfman77]

At this point I would take him on a 1 year deal.

[Y2Jimmy0]

At this point I would take him on a 1 year deal.

 

 

For the White Sox? You would give up a 2nd round pick for 1 year of Cano?

[harfman77]

For the White Sox? You would give up a 2nd round pick for 1 year of Cano?

 

Give up a second round pick this year for a first rounder next year, or the possibility for trading him at the break for something more valuable.

[harfman77]

Sounds like after everyone cooled down, talks with the Mariners are back on.

[royoung]

Sounds like after everyone cooled down, talks with the Mariners are back on.

 

10 years 240 million. Wow. Seattle overpaying to make a splash

[Dick Allen]

10 years 240 million. Wow. Seattle overpaying to make a splash

I didn't think there would be a chance he left the Yankees. Seattle is a nice place, but it's been nice seeing Cano play in the spotlight. Now he will play the rest of his career mostly in obscurity unless the Mariners really turn it around.

 

If the Mariners hated paying Chone Figgins, I can't imagine what they will be feeling when this contract gets to it's final 2 or 3 years. Ouch.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Dick Allen

[flavum]

Ok, let's crank up the Chris Sale rumors.

[royoung]

I didn't think there would be a chance he left the Yankees. Seattle is a nice place, but it's been nice seeing Cano play in the spotlight. Now he will play the rest of his career mostly in obscurity unless the Mariners really turn it around.

 

If the Mariners hated paying Chone Figgins, I can't imagine what they will be feeling when this contract gets to it's final 2 or 3 years. Ouch.

 

True but with a future rotation of Felix, Walker, Iwakuma, Hutzlen, Paxton you have to feel good about their chances to compete. A nice young core of hitters too, Franklin, Miller, Zunino, Smoak, Montero, Ackley, all under 27.

[Soxfest]

10 years 240 million. Wow. Seattle overpaying to make a splash

Years 6 thru 10 at 24 mil a year Seattle will hate this contract.

[BlackSox13]

Since Franklin is looking like the odd man out in Seattle now how about the Sox make a play for him? I'll take a 22 yo switch hitting 2B.