Marty34 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 11:54 PM) Nobody actually goes to the park to see Paul Konerko, do they? It's about jersey sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Re-sign Konerko and if he isn't hitting by the middle of May he retires. It's not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) Manto was from outside the organization If the organization is floating the idea of Konerko returning, I think they are going to be trying to move Dunn. Having all three on the roster is a potentially disastrous idea and forces you to trust that they all remain healthy and able to come off the bench at any time. It also forces the other 2 bench spots to be extremely flexible for all positions What I should have said was no ties or connections or loyalty to anyone on the Sox coaching staff or in the front office. A total, objective outsider. Parent and Manto both were/are quite familiar with Ventura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) I personally think Dunn will have his best year in a white sox uniform next year. Contract year and he's got a ton of work to do in repairing his rep. Stranger things have happened. In my ideal lineup, he's hitting no higher than 6th. The last line of your post doesn't go along with your first line. If he's hitting 40+, driving in 100+, and putting up an OPS of .800+ you want that in the 3-4-5 spot, low average and strikeouts be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Start the season in the 6 or 7 spot. If he starts to show a turn around, move him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) If you want to have Dunn hitting 6th, that means that Garcia/Abreu/Viciedo...two of those three and probably all three are your 3-4-5 guys, yes? So you have THREE guys hitting in positions in the batting order they're not very comfortable or familiar with. The opposite is much more likely....the younger guys would be at 5-6-7 until they can prove otherwise. Edited October 20, 2013 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 05:54 AM) Nobody actually goes to the park to see Paul Konerko, do they? I went to Kauffman Stadium this year to see a 99 loss team just to see Konerko hit one last time and he didn't even play. It bummed me out, but not too much cause Sox won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 08:20 PM) Do you read the Facebook comments on the official sox page? Reading the common fans thoughts is hilarious. I'd say 90% want to bring back MB & AJ no matter what the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 11:51 PM) Reading the common fans thoughts is hilarious. I'd say 90% want to bring back MB & AJ no matter what the price Exactly. You read an article about anything White Sox related and the commenters will tell you that the fall of the White Sox can be traced to the loss of Mark Buehrle and the complete collapse is enabled by the loss of AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 06:23 AM) Exactly. You read an article about anything White Sox related and the commenters will tell you that the fall of the White Sox can be traced to the loss of Mark Buehrle and the complete collapse is enabled by the loss of AJ Wasn't there someone on this site saying AJ would never let his team collapse? Interesting that two years in a row, him and Rios were on a team that completely choked down the stretch. Rios is allergic to the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 04:51 AM) Reading the common fans thoughts is hilarious. I'd say 90% want to bring back MB & AJ no matter what the price See, the few people who accuse me of being a troll should consider what you just wrote. And they should remember your post forever. Maybe greg actually has COMMON, not radical opinions? Is that possible? My takes appear to be that of the 90 percenters. Edited October 20, 2013 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 12:46 AM) See, the few people who accuse me of being a troll should consider what you just wrote. And they should remember your post forever. Maybe greg actually has COMMON, not radical opinions? Is that possible? My takes appear to be that of the 90 percenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 12:21 PM) Manto was from outside the organization If the organization is floating the idea of Konerko returning, I think they are going to be trying to move Dunn. Having all three on the roster is a potentially disastrous idea and forces you to trust that they all remain healthy and able to come off the bench at any time. It also forces the other 2 bench spots to be extremely flexible for all positions Manto was the White Sox minor league hitting coordinator for 4 or 5 years before being named major league hitting coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) Manto was the White Sox minor league hitting coordinator for 4 or 5 years before being named major league hitting coach. They brought Mark Parent in from outside as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I just do not see Konerko back. Despite the hometown discount he gave the team way back when, there is no hometown favorite roster spot available. Sentimentally I would rather see Dunn moved, but that is not realistic and not the soundest baseball move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Honestly, as great as he's been for us, it's time for Konerko to go. Right now, Dunn is the more productive player and his left-handed bat adds some much needed balance to the lineup. While I do think a Konerko/Dunn platoon could work, you're giving up a lot of roster flexibility carrying three 1B/DH types and you risk Robin trying to find a way to get Konerko playing time at the expense of the other two. Overall, it just doesn't make sense IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Fire Robin. Make Paulie manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) Manto was the White Sox minor league hitting coordinator for 4 or 5 years before being named major league hitting coach. You are right, I looked on Wikipedia and it didn't have any of that. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) It's about jersey sales. Bonerko replica jersey at the ballpark as an active sox player: $139. As an ex-sox player(ie on another team): $59.99 That's a lotta coin jerry loses if Bonerko leaves. If he retires, they can sell them at 89.99. Konerko is the #1 sox jersey/shirsey i see at games. Hell, pretty much anywhere in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) Bonerko replica jersey at the ballpark as an active sox player: $139. As an ex-sox player(ie on another team): $59.99 That's a lotta coin jerry loses if Bonerko leaves. If he retires, they can sell them at 89.99. Konerko is the #1 sox jersey/shirsey i see at games. Hell, pretty much anywhere in Chicago. I don't believe the $10,000 that the team may lose in jersey revenue is weighing too heavily on the team, especially after they make 5x that with the new sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) I just do not see Konerko back. Despite the hometown discount he gave the team way back when, there is no hometown favorite roster spot available. Sentimentally I would rather see Dunn moved, but that is not realistic and not the soundest baseball move. When did this actually happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) When did this actually happen? 2005, the Orioles' offer was about $4,000,000 higher than the Sox offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 12:46 AM) See, the few people who accuse me of being a troll should consider what you just wrote. And they should remember your post forever. Maybe greg actually has COMMON, not radical opinions? Is that possible? My takes appear to be that of the 90 percenters. That is not a group with whom you want to be associated, I assure you of that. QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) 2005, the Orioles' offer was about $4,000,000 higher than the Sox offer. My recollection was 5/$60 from the White Sox and 5/$65 from the Orioles, but after taxes were included, his deal from Baltimore actually would have given him less disposable income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) 2005, the Orioles' offer was about $4,000,000 higher than the Sox offer. That wasn't a hometown discount. That was more " orioles will suck most of this contract, so I'm better off staying with a team that has a chance to win" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) 2005, the Orioles' offer was about $4,000,000 higher than the Sox offer. Angels offered more money too than the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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