witesoxfan Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) First Tim Beckman, now Paul Konerko. I guess not hurting people's feelings is more important than winning. They weren't winning anything this year anyways. I just wanted him to retire because I think he's finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I just hope Karma is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 07:13 AM) I am surprised Konerko came back. With Abreu in the fold, and Dunn still around, he has to know that PT will be fleeting, especially if his problems the last couple of years weren't just because of injury. My thought is I wonder if Paulie is looking at this as a chance to work in more of a "coaching" role to see if he likes the idea of doing this type of a job in the future. It has to be in the back of his head knowing that Kenny wanted to hire him as a manager. I like having Konerko back. Partially because he's an all time favorite and secondly because he became such a good pure hitter that there is a chance that if he's healthier and plays in a more limited role, he can be a pretty productive player for this club. I do hope the club can find a way to move Dunn and then make another move. One thing I don't want to see, is this signing stunt the development of Abreu but given the money the club spent on him, I can't see that happening. I presume he's taking a pay cut but we are probably giving him a little more just because its Paulie and the chairman loves him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Reinsdorf is desperate for a fan-base that will support a lovable loser. I could "tolerate" this if PK was a lefty masher... but unfortunately his splits are even. I see very few scenarios where this works out for Paulie and/or the WSox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) I like having Konerko back. Partially because he's an all time favorite and secondly because he became such a good pure hitter that there is a chance that if he's healthier and plays in a more limited role, he can be a pretty productive player for this club. I do hope the club can find a way to move Dunn and then make another move. One thing I don't want to see, is this signing stunt the development of Abreu but given the money the club spent on him, I can't see that happening. I presume he's taking a pay cut but we are probably giving him a little more just because its Paulie and the chairman loves him. I like the organization leaving the door open to Konerko. It is good will that can do nothing but help the reputation of the team with the rest of the players, both in the lockerroom and around MLB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) They weren't winning anything this year anyways. I just wanted him to retire because I think he's finished. With both Dunn and Konerko on the roster, they will take away at bats from Abreu. That could affect his development and adjustment period to MLB, which could hurt the teams future chances of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) One thing I don't want to see, is this signing stunt the development of Abreu but given the money the club spent on him, I can't see that happening. I expect exactly that. I'm going to expect Abreu to get 400-ish PA's until I'm proven wrong. It strikes me as the same thing they've pulled with young player after young player, screwing around with them until they're "Veterans". Chris Sale stuck in the bullpen, the way Santiago has been messed around with, the way Viciedo was bounced back and forth between positions and between the minors and the bench in the big leagues clearly before he was ready, and I could keep going if I went back beyond just guys on the current roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) I just hope Karma is real. It is, just ask Jen Bielema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I mean, maybe he'll kick ass? Have to wonder if we have something arranged to send Dunn out of town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 10:27 AM) I mean, maybe he'll kick ass? Have to wonder if we have something arranged to send Dunn out of town If they have something ready to move Dunn, then waiting until after this was announced is stupid, inept management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) Reinsdorf is desperate for a fan-base that will support a lovable loser. I could "tolerate" this if PK was a lefty masher... but unfortunately his splits are even. I see very few scenarios where this works out for Paulie and/or the WSox. So now you are saying things that aren't true. Please look at his splits from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) I mean, maybe he'll kick ass? Have to wonder if we have something arranged to send Dunn out of town That would be nice. Both things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) With both Dunn and Konerko on the roster, they will take away at bats from Abreu. That could affect his development and adjustment period to MLB, which could hurt the teams future chances of winning. Hopefully they use a righty/lefty platoon with PK and Dunn, with the occasional day off for Abreu. It is worth noting that the Cuban baseball season is only 90 games long. It probably isn't a bad idea to get the guy a day off every week to week and a half to make sure he doesn't crash at the end of the summer from fatigue. He doesn't exactly look like the most fit guy out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 07:26 AM) I expect exactly that. I'm going to expect Abreu to get 400-ish PA's until I'm proven wrong. It strikes me as the same thing they've pulled with young player after young player, screwing around with them until they're "Veterans". Chris Sale stuck in the bullpen, the way Santiago has been messed around with, the way Viciedo was bounced back and forth between positions and between the minors and the bench in the big leagues clearly before he was ready, and I could keep going if I went back beyond just guys on the current roster. Dunn will get short changed at bats before Abreu doesn. I also dont' think it is bad for Abreu's development if he plays 5.5 of every 7 games early in the season. That gives Paulie 1.5 game in stead of Abreu, he can play whenever dunn faces a lefty, and probably start ocassionally against righties for Dunn as well. At bats can go around and the team needs to make sure they don't overpush Abreu. Abreu isn't some rookie...he is a really expensive rookie and the club is going to pay him. This isn't Tyler Flowers or Josh Phegley going against AJ. This is a highly touted guy going up against a player who is going to take a lesser role with the team. Now if Paulie opens the season hitting like the Paulie of 2 years ago, clearly the club is going to find ways to get him at bats, but again, I still think a chunk of those at bats would be coming at the expense of Dunn. Abreu is going to get his AB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Crazy idea here: this affects nothing It only seems like it matters b/c other moves havent happened yet. If you had a slew of moves come first, this would be loved of course. Low risk assuming this is cheap. If he fills a few seats with his name I am not just automatically offended by that. Edited December 4, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Move Dunn to LF, Viciedo to right, and Garcia to CF. DeAza is your fourth outfielder Konerko DH Abreu, Beckham, Ramirez, Gillespie Phegley/Flowers 12 pitchers Utility infielder plus another The outfield defense will suck but who cares if the team sucks they should still hit the crap out of the ball. Personally I think Dunn is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) So now you are saying things that aren't true. Please look at his splits from last year. Now look at the other 15 years he played in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Hopefully they use a righty/lefty platoon with PK and Dunn, with the occasional day off for Abreu. It is worth noting that the Cuban baseball season is only 90 games long. It probably isn't a bad idea to get the guy a day off every week to week and a half to make sure he doesn't crash at the end of the summer from fatigue. He doesn't exactly look like the most fit guy out there. That can work, and would likely be a formidible group. But you still need to have to cover the OF and skill IF positions with two guys, or alternately shorten up the bullpen to 6. I think more moves are coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 09:31 AM) Now look at the other 15 years he played in the league. Your are the worst. You mean the fact that he has always hit lefties, but didn't hit righties last year? Thanks though, I will take that as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I love this move. 1) No matter what it pays long term dividends. The White Sox develop a reputation for looking out for their guys. Think Chris Sale, I mean its hard to say where he will be when his contract runs up as a player, but if he's still good he could look at this and think this is an org he'd like to stay with. 2) If Ventura flops Paulie can seamlessly step in to manage this team. 3) He could have a dead mans bouce, or some sort of return to form. Dude can hit, we know that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 You get 324 starts between 1B and DH. Maybe it can work with something like this... Abreu- 140 Dunn- 108 Konerko-76 Nahh...this is going to be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayan024 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 59s Per source, Konerko returning for one year, $2.5 million, with a portion deferred. Announcement to come later this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 07:31 AM) That can work, and would likely be a formidible group. But you still need to have to cover the OF and skill IF positions with two guys, or alternately shorten up the bullpen to 6. I think more moves are coming. Club has some depth in the sense that we have a few outfielders that can play pretty much every position there and some utility infielders that should be able to do the same. Club still has to find a way to upgrade 3B and potentially 2B. I would not be surprised to see some moves happen which strengthen the infield and I still expect an upgrade at catcher and would be extremely disapointed if we started the year with the same turds we had last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) You get 324 starts between 1B and DH. Maybe it can work with something like this... Abreu- 140 Dunn- 108 Konerko-76 Nahh...this is going to be bad. I just don't see Konerko coming back to only play half the season, nor do I see Robin benching Dunn. This is gonna be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 2m Per source, Konerko returning for one year, $2.5 million, with a portion deferred. Announcement to come later this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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