Beltran to Yankees

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Per MLBtraderumors.com McCann, Ellsbury and now Beltran. The Yankees will sacrifice a third-round draft pick as compensation for signing Beltran. New York has now given up its first, second and third round picks in next year's draft (though they'll get two picks after the first round for losing Cano and Curtis Granderson).

 

Red Sox also re-signing Napoli 2/$32M .

Edited December 7, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

Per MLBtraderumors.com McCann, Ellsbury and now Beltran. The Yankees will sacrifice a third-round draft pick as compensation for signing Beltran. New York has now given up its first, second and third round picks in next year's draft (though they'll get two picks after the first round for losing Cano and Curtis Granderson).

 

Red Sox also re-signing Napoli 2/$32M .

 

Beltran

Ellsbury

Soriano

Ichiro

Gardner

Johnson (though I assume he plays second base now)

 

Who gets traded? Gardner would look nice in a Sox uniform, and the Yannkees still owe us one for that Swisher trade (or was that payback for Contreras?).....

 

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Beltran

Ellsbury

Soriano

Ichiro

Gardner

Johnson (though I assume he plays second base now)

 

Who gets traded? Gardner would look nice in a Sox uniform, and the Yannkees still owe us one for that Swisher trade (or was that payback for Contreras?).....

 

I've been wanting Brett Gardner for years now. I think I was pining for a Floyd for Gardner + prospect swap for a couple years there. Obviously in hindsight that would have been an awesome trade. Gardner has only played in 3 full seasons. 6.0, 4.9, and 3.2 WAR in those 3 years. Last year he trended the opposite way in almost everything, so I wouldn't want to give up too much for him, and he is a little older than we'd want on this team, but if he can be had for a lower price, I'd totally make a move on that. If he is right, he will play tremendous defense, swipe 40 bags, and walk at least 10% of the time. He could be a very prototypical lead off hitter.

[caulfield12]

I've been wanting Brett Gardner for years now. I think I was pining for a Floyd for Gardner + prospect swap for a couple years there. Obviously in hindsight that would have been an awesome trade. Gardner has only played in 3 full seasons. 6.0, 4.9, and 3.2 WAR in those 3 years. Last year he trended the opposite way in almost everything, so I wouldn't want to give up too much for him, and he is a little older than we'd want on this team, but if he can be had for a lower price, I'd totally make a move on that. If he is right, he will play tremendous defense, swipe 40 bags, and walk at least 10% of the time. He could be a very prototypical lead off hitter.

 

 

 

 

They'll want that 1-2 punch of Ellsbury/Gardner or Gardner/Ellsbury at the top of the line-up.

 

That leaves Ichiro and Vernon Wells for the bench.

 

Beltran/Tex/McCann for the heart of the order.

 

Soriano would theoretically hit 6th and DH.

 

 

 

 

Then you have Jeter/Johnson/Brendan Ryan for the bottom of the order.

 

 

Yankees still need to address the back end of their rotation and bullpen....but 1-6, and, assuming healthy Jeter and Johnson, that's a VERY strong line-up offensively.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

They'll want that 1-2 punch of Ellsbury/Gardner or Gardner/Ellsbury at the top of the line-up.

 

That leaves Ichiro and Vernon Wells for the bench.

 

Beltran/Tex/McCann for the heart of the order.

 

Soriano would theoretically hit 6th and DH.

 

 

 

 

Then you have Jeter/Johnson/Brendan Ryan for the bottom of the order.

 

 

Yankees still need to address the back end of their rotation and bullpen....but 1-6, and, assuming healthy Jeter and Johnson, that's a VERY strong line-up offensively.

 

I would think they would gladly trade Gardner and make Ichiro their 1 or 2 man in exchange for a starter and/or reliever.

[caulfield12]

I would think they would gladly trade Gardner and make Ichiro their 1 or 2 man in exchange for a starter and/or reliever.

 

 

So Santiago/Quintana, Jones/Lindstrom/Reed would be the biggest trade pieces.

 

 

But at Ichiro's age, I'm pretty sure they would prefer to limit him to only 250-300 AB's.

[Soxfest]

Yankees continue to spend.

[Balta1701]

Yankees still need to address the back end of their rotation and bullpen....but 1-6, and, assuming healthy Jeter and Johnson, that's a VERY strong line-up offensively.

But there's also not a single person in that lineup who isn't an injury risk.

[Balta1701]

Yankees continue to spend.

The 37 year old with the OPS in the low .800's is a lot less scary than the 30 year old with the .900 OPS (even when ballpark factors are included).

[Balta1701]

I would think they would gladly trade Gardner and make Ichiro their 1 or 2 man in exchange for a starter and/or reliever.

They could probably still do that if they rotated their DH spot between McCann, Tex, Soriano, and Beltran (which doesn't sound like a bad idea altogether anyway if they have competent backups at 1b and C)

[TheFutureIsNear]

Hmm wonder if Santiago, De Aza, Reed would get us Sanchez and Gardner?

 

With McCann locked in at C for I'm guessing at least 3 years (could go to Dh after that) Sanchez is kinda blocked so they could be more willing to give him up than before. Plus they have a few other young catchers in their system as well

 

Young controllable arms are exactly what the Yankees need. And throwing a cheap 4th OF as an insurance option to Ichiro wouldn't hurt either.

[bulokis]

Hmm wonder if Santiago, De Aza, Reed would get us Sanchez and Gardner?

 

With McCann locked in at C for I'm guessing at least 3 years (could go to Dh after that) Sanchez is kinda blocked so they could be more willing to give him up than before. Plus they have a few other young catchers in their system as well

 

Young controllable arms are exactly what the Yankees need. And throwing a cheap 4th OF as an insurance option to Ichiro wouldn't hurt either.

 

I would not mind that deal. Just like to keep Reed though.

[Balta1701]

I would not mind that deal. Just like to keep Reed though.

The Yankees could certainly use a backup plan in their IF, particularly for 3b, assuming ARoid's suspension holds. We might be able to get some value out of Gillaspie here.

[Dick Allen]

Brett Gardner is 30+ right now and due to be a free agent after next season. I have read the Sox aren't supposed to trade for those types. See Headley, Chase.

[Balta1701]

Brett Gardner is 30+ right now and due to be a free agent after next season. I have read the Sox aren't supposed to trade for those types. See Headley, Chase.

I didn't check that, you're right it'd make zero sense to give up Reed or Santiago for him.

[TheFutureIsNear]

I didn't check that, you're right it'd make zero sense to give up Reed or Santiago for him.

 

Yeah I had no idea he was a free agent either. For some reason I thought he still had at least 3 years of arbitration left. Don't recall hearing much about Gardner until around 2010

 

[chw42]

The Yankees are going to need to get an actual 3B. This Beltran signing didn't make a ton of sense. It allows them to DH Soriano, but it's much easier to get a DH than a 3B.

[LittleHurt05]

The Yankees are going to need to get an actual 3B. This Beltran signing didn't make a ton of sense. It allows them to DH Soriano, but it's much easier to get a DH than a 3B.

 

If the other guys hit like they are supposed to, maybe they can survive with Brendan Ryan as long as he plays stellar D.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

The Yankees are going to need to get an actual 3B. This Beltran signing didn't make a ton of sense. It allows them to DH Soriano, but it's much easier to get a DH than a 3B.

 

Unless it allows them to trade Gardner to San Diego for Headley or something. Or maybe they immediately trade Beltran or Soriano to Arizona for Davidson. AZ offered 3 yrs/$48M for Beltran before he took less to go to NY.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Chilihead90

[caulfield12]

The Yankees could certainly use a backup plan in their IF, particularly for 3b, assuming ARoid's suspension holds. We might be able to get some value out of Gillaspie here.

 

 

They have that guy, Eduardo Nunez....Ramirez, whatever his name is...for over there.

[Balta1701]

They have that guy, Eduardo Nunez....Ramirez, whatever his name is...for over there.

I've seen his defense described as really bad and his bat isn't all that good either. On top of that, now that they've lost their 2b, their infield is quite weak. They have ARoid at 3b but he might be suspended, Jeter who is obviously an injury risk, Nunez and Brendan Ryan and then whatever else they sign. If the suspensions go through, the White Sox could send them Keppinger and expect he'd be starting if no one else is added, they're that weak around the IF.

[LeoSchumacher]

I've seen his defense described as really bad and his bat isn't all that good either. On top of that, now that they've lost their 2b, their infield is quite weak. They have ARoid at 3b but he might be suspended, Jeter who is obviously an injury risk, Nunez and Brendan Ryan and then whatever else they sign. If the suspensions go through, the White Sox could send them Keppinger and expect he'd be starting if no one else is added, they're that weak around the IF.

Send them Keppinger and John Danks for Brett Gardner and one of their catchers.

[caulfield12]

I've seen his defense described as really bad and his bat isn't all that good either. On top of that, now that they've lost their 2b, their infield is quite weak. They have ARoid at 3b but he might be suspended, Jeter who is obviously an injury risk, Nunez and Brendan Ryan and then whatever else they sign. If the suspensions go through, the White Sox could send them Keppinger and expect he'd be starting if no one else is added, they're that weak around the IF.

 

 

Kelly Johnson is currently projected as the starter at 2B and 8th in the line-up.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Soriano is worth Matt Davidson now?

 

We should have traded for Soriano in July just so we could send him to AZ in December for Davidson.

 

Calm down, I'm talking in generalities.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Anyone could say that after making a dumb trade idea.

 

EDIT: Totally calm.

 

Arizona wants a corner OF with power, had offered an even larger contract to Beltran, which obviously states their interest in paying him that contract, and they have a 3B prospect that could be expendable. The Yankees have extra OFers and they need a 3B for the future.

 

I don't see what you could have possibly missed about that obvious trade match-up.