The Ultimate Champion Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) ^Also the only team that can make me want to do a Sale deal is the Dodgers. They're f***ing crazy, they might empty out their farm & give up Adrian Gonzalez at $5M per eating the remainder. Who knows. We'd need some team to do something STUPID and they're easily the #1 target for that kind of outcome. Edit: and trading a bunch of unproven prospects who have never done anything and mostly like will underwhelm if not fully bust for Sale isn't stupid, it's smart. Edited December 9, 2013 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) ^Also the only team that can make me want to do a Sale deal is the Dodgers. They're f***ing crazy, they might empty out their farm & give up Adrian Gonzalez at $5M per eating the remainder. Who knows. We'd need some team to do something STUPID and they're easily the #1 target for that kind of outcome. Why would you want Adrian Gonzalez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Any deal involving Sale must include at least two guys that will be on the major league roster on 4/1. No reason to take on a bunch of low level prospects. If I were Hahn, the deals I would consider: Dbacks - Skaggs, Parra, Bradley, Davidson, Gregorius and Michael Perez - Sox include Alexi Rangers - Perez, Profar, Jackson, Odor, and Alfaro Mariners - Seager, Paxton, Walker, and Marlette Dodgers - Puig, Pederson, and Lee Red Sox - Webster, Cecchini, Owens, Swihart, and Bradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) Why would you want Adrian Gonzalez? He is trying to kill Balta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m Jerry Reinsdorf on #Whitesox rumors re Chris Sale: "I've only had 1 player in my 33 years who couldn't be traded. He played basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. If we can get that deal, I'll drive Sale to the airport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 4m Reinsdorf added he'd be "very surprised" if Chris Sale is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:59 AM) If we can get that deal, I'll drive Sale to the airport Does anyone who ever voluteers to drive someone to the airport if they get traded, actually drive them to the airport when it happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:57 AM) Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. That looks nice on paper but in reality it's likelier that when it's all said and done Alejandro DeAza puts together a better Major League career than at least 3 of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) Does anyone who ever voluteers to drive someone to the airport if they get traded, actually drive them to the airport when it happens? Mom, can I borrow the car? Huh? Sale needs the go to the airport. (arararararrrrrrfdgfgsasdf your father comes home gargagragradasdasdljafkjl) But it's Saaaaaallle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. My thoughts exactly. Archie Bradley, Tyler Skaggs, Randall Delgado, Matt Davidson, Stryker Trahan, and Chris Owings gets it done for me. That's the deal. Sale is under team control for 6 more seasons. Arizona is probably unwilling to pay that price but that should be the starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) That looks nice on paper but in reality it's likelier that when it's all said and done Alejandro DeAza puts together a better Major League career than at least 3 of those guys. Possibly, but thats when you have to lean on your scouts. None of those guys are new to pro ball, all are either in the majors or fairly close (aside from Trahan I guess). Scouts opinion vary wildly on prospects, they are cost controlled lottery tickets in effect. Just depends on who you hedge your bets on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 First of all Eaton plays the OF. And if a deal doesn't involve Bradley, then you hang up. Sale Jones and Alexei for Gregarious, Bradley, Skaggs, Davidson, Eaton, Owings, Trahan, and Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) Possibly, but thats when you have to lean on your scouts. None of those guys are new to pro ball, all are either in the majors or fairly close (aside from Trahan I guess). Scouts opinion vary wildly on prospects, they are cost controlled lottery tickets in effect. Just depends on who you hedge your bets on. In another thread about trading Sale I looked at the 23 year gap bewteen Black Jack and Sale. In doing so I looked at the career WAR of every pitcher taken top-100 in his class during that 23 year period. Did you know that Nate Jones right now is already among the cream of the crop of that group? Nate Jones is one of the best pitchers we have drafted in the first 100 picks in over 2 decades. And people can think whatever they want about the Sox drafting low-upside McCulloghs and Broadways and stuff, but the Sox had some VERY big arms in there which didn't turn out. Jon Rauch for example has been one of best pitchers in that period that we have drafted and developed in the last 20+ years, and that guy also ranks as one of the biggest disappointments in the Sox system. There are what now, just like 30 rounds in the draft? How many international slots? We've got enough lottery tickets already. Don't need to trade the best asset we have had really since pre-arb Maggs at least (Sale has more value though I'm sure) and probably since Frank just to buy more lottery tickets. Edited December 9, 2013 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. Don't forget the #3 pick...Lets say its Hoffman....~3 years from now we could then be looking at... Bradley-24 Quintana-28 Delgado- 27 Johnson-26 Hoffman-24 That pitching staff, with a much improved offense, because of the Sale trade, could put us into great position to contend. Still got guys like Santiago, Rienzo, Beck, Bassit, Danish, and Snodgress who can be traded or used to max out the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) Don't forget the #3 pick...Lets say its Hoffman....~3 years from now we could then be looking at... Bradley-24 Quintana-28 Delgado- 27 Johnson-26 Hoffman-24 That pitching staff, with a much improved offense, because of the Sale trade, could put us into great position to contend. Still got guys like Santiago, Rienzo, Beck, Bassit, Danish, and Snodgress who can be traded or used to max out the bullpen. Or it could set the Sox back about 5 years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) Or it could set the Sox back about 5 years too. Ding Ding Ding....it could be a massive set back and not only that but Rick Hahn would probably be fired too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) Or it could set the Sox back about 5 years too. It could, but I trust in the Sox ability to develop pitching.....Maybe the offensive pieces they get don't pan out (at least OWings/Davidson/Polluck or Eaton developed elsewhere), but the Sox should have plenty of depth to trade from, and some $$$ to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) For an outstanding haul you trade Sale. His arm will hold up or it wont. Some people are built for that stress some people arent, point blank. The stress he puts on it, him just being what he is on the mound And of course if the team was better it'd be a different story............but right now we have no reason to think we'll be significantly better. in the next 2-3 years we miiiiight become 'good.' Meanwhile that whole time, an ace will just sit here either being the same value or getting hurt and decreasing in value. Edited December 9, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 How would trading one pitcher off a roster of a team that lost 99 games possibly set that team back 5 years? Lets not get carried away. Sale pitches once every 5 days. I wouldn't trade him unless blown away, but all the rebuilders if they did trade him for prospects, would get their wish. The team would still be crappy, but the farm system probably goes to top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I'd put it at like 5% chance Sale gets moved. Teams are pretty hesitant, generally, to give up young, very talented guys, and there is simply no need to trade Sale yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) I'd put it at like 5% chance Sale gets moved. Teams are pretty hesitant, generally, to give up young, very talented guys, and there is simply no need to trade Sale yet. The problem with a Sale trade is other teams want at least a fair deal. The White Sox would want one where they didn't even have to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I hope Sale gets traded because it means the haul we're getting back is so huge, that it will go through three layers of the Front Office to actually get done. It's not like Hahn is going to hear something he likes, and hit the podium to announce it. This would have to be the hardest decision Reinsdorf has ever allowed a baseball GM to make, including firing LaRussa and trading Harold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) How would trading one pitcher off a roster of a team that lost 99 games possibly set that team back 5 years? Lets not get carried away. Sale pitches once every 5 days. I wouldn't trade him unless blown away, but all the rebuilders if they did trade him for prospects, would get their wish. The team would still be crappy, but the farm system probably goes to top 10. I'm pretty sure the point was the prospects could bust and then your screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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