Andy the Clown Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Maybe or they all bust except one who becomes an average major league but nothing close to Chris. Obviously impossible to project that's why trading him is so damn risky. True, but no one involved would really need to become Chris Sale. If most of them were above replacement level, it would still be a huge win for us given the number of holes we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) Unless we get 3 stud prospects not marginal ones back to start forget about It. Sale's age and contract have to be maximized in any deal. Hahn holds all the cards. If that happens and the sorry shape of the Sox farm system, Hahn would have a real tough decision to make. Edited December 9, 2013 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:52 AM) Unless we get 3 stud prospects not marginal ones back to start forget about It. Agreed and talks would start with Bradley, Skaggs and Davidson. Or forget it. Edited December 9, 2013 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) Agreed and talks would start with Bradley, Skaggs and Davidson. Or forget it. The DBacks have already said they aren't trading Bradley, so I guess we can just forget this. Of course, the Sox have said they aren't trading Sale, yet we're still talking about that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) The DBacks have already said they aren't trading Bradley, so I guess we can just forget this. Of course, the Sox have said they aren't trading Sale, yet we're still talking about that too. Both sides have said it's unlikely or they'd be surprised if they're traded....If you leave the door open, people will talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Looking at some of the deals where aces have been traded: Haren and Connor Robertson for Brett Anderson, Dana Eveland, Greg Smith, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, and CarGo. Beckett, Guillermo Mora and Mike Lowell for Hanley Ramirez, Jesus Delgado, Harvey Garcia, and Anibal Sanchez Colon and Tim Drew for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens Halladay for Travis D'Arnaud, Kyle Drabek, and Michael Taylor Johnson for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama Clemens for David Wells, Homer Bush, and Graeme Lloyd Santana for Phillip Humber, Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey, and Carlos Gomez Lee and Ben Francisco for Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, Lou Marson, and Jason Knapp Lee for JC Ramirez, Phillipe Aumont, and Tyson Gillies Lee and Mark Lowe for Justin Smoak, Blake Beaven, Josh Lueke, and Matt Lawson Shields and Wade Davis for Wil Myers, Jake Odorizzi, Mike Montgomery, and Patrick Leonard Latos for Yonder Alonso, Yasmani Grandal, Edinson Vlolquez, and Brad Boxberger Dickey, Josh Thole, Mike Nickeas for D'Arnaud, John Buck, Noah Syndergaard, adn Wuilmer Beccera Haren for Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and Tyler Skaggs Its a pretty mixed bag of results, though more times than not it appears that the team that moved their ace received the most value after the deal was completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayan024 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 MLB Daily Dish @mlbdailydish 3m #White Sox LHP Chris Sale drawing trade interest from #Braves and #DBacks: http://sbn.to/1kt4XZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) The DBacks have already said they aren't trading Bradley, so I guess we can just forget this. Of course, the Sox have said they aren't trading Sale, yet we're still talking about that too. Right and AZ needs to understand that Bradley is in the trade trade talks or it " happy holidays", click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) The DBacks have already said they aren't trading Bradley, so I guess we can just forget this. Of course, the Sox have said they aren't trading Sale, yet we're still talking about that too. Both have said they are willing to listen, from MLBTR While Towers was quick to say that no player is untouchable, he sounded loath to part with prized pitching prospect Archie Bradley, a consensus Top 10 MLB prospect. Asked about the possiblity of trading Bradley, he replied: "I don't see that happening. Not that anybody is untouchable, but we're hoping he's our David Price, and we can control him [for several years]. He's gonna get every opportunity to crack our rotation this spring ... He's not looking to make our rotation as the fifth guy -- he's looking to make it as the ace." Sounds like, much like Sale, while they are not looking to move him, they would in the right deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) Sale to the Diamonbacks for the Diamondbacks? and a partridge in a pear tree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) Right and AZ needs to understand that Bradley is in the trade trade talks or it " happy holidays", click. Skaggs, Chafin, Davidson, Owings, and Trahan would make me think long and hard.... I've softened my stance on trading Sale a little bit. Its still going to take a ton, but it almost has to be considered. Its a chance to change the entire landscape of the franchise in a positive way. I love Sale as much as the next guy, but this franchise has a serious void of talent and he represents a way to change that. I will be honest that its hard to find organizations that fit the bill as far as trade partners for Sale go. Arizona, Yankees, Seattle, and ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Getting a lot of good pieces for Sale is a very tempting thought, but at the end of the day, even if the trade helps you win more games, you need a stud ace to win you those playoff games once you get there, and while the Sox have a lot of nice arms in the system, none of them is ever going to match Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) MLB Daily Dish @mlbdailydish 3m #White Sox LHP Chris Sale drawing trade interest from #Braves and #DBacks: http://sbn.to/1kt4XZB The Bravess eh?? Not sure how they make sense since their minor league isn't that great Gotta be talking Justin Upton or Heyward, one of their current starting pitchers, Avilon or Venters, Bethancourt, and Lucas.....or make it some crazy 3 team deal. Edited December 9, 2013 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:26 PM) Getting a lot of good pieces for Sale is a very tempting thought, but at the end of the day, even if the trade helps you win more games, you need a stud ace to win you those playoff games once you get there, and while the Sox have a lot of nice arms in the system, none of them is ever going to match Sale. That 3rd pick could though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) The Bravess eh?? Not sure how they make sense since their minor league isn't that great Gotta be talking Justin Upton or Heyward, one of their current starting pitchers, Avilon or Venters, Bethancourt, and Lucas.....or make it some crazy 3 team deal. Simmons, Tommy La Stella and Teheran is a pretty good start but I would definitely need another potential power bat in the OF or 3B back as well. They do have plenty of arms so a 3 team deal does make sense where they send someone like Sims or Graham to a 3rd team and we get a top level hitting prospect back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I'm of the opinion that an ace is one of the most overrated possessions. I think having a great rotation is the best thing to have, but having an "ace" is not all that different from having a really, really good pitcher. What ace was on the 2005 team? It was filled with guys we'd say were 2s and 3s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:39 PM) I'm of the opinion that an ace is one of the most overrated possessions. I think having a great rotation is the best thing to have, but having an "ace" is not all that different from having a really, really good pitcher. What ace was on the 2005 team? It was filled with guys we'd say were 2s and 3s. Contreras finished out that season as an ace. And continued that through the beginning of 2006. He was just filthy after the break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) Contreras finished out that season as an ace. And continued that through the beginning of 2006. He was just filthy after the break But of course, he wasn't an ace. That's the cool thing about having a lot of really good pitchers. Chances are, at any given moment one of them will pitch like an ace. Contreras was super inconsistent and just got hot. That's why he only cost us Esteban Loaiza, who was also an ace for five minutes. Nobody comparable to Chris Sale on that team and that's okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Yeah Contreras was perhaps the best pitcher in all of MLB for a time. He was absolutely an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) Yeah Contreras was perhaps the best pitcher in all of MLB for a time. He was absolutely an ace. During that second half of 2005 through the first half of 2006, there is no doubt about it. The guy was as a good as it got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) You said you need a big package. hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 51m In order to trade Chris Sale, sources say, White Sox would be looking for a package much bigger than what David Price is expected to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:43 PM) But of course, he wasn't an ace. That's the cool thing about having a lot of really good pitchers. Chances are, at any given moment one of them will pitch like an ace. Contreras was super inconsistent and just got hot. That's why he only cost us Esteban Loaiza, who was also an ace for five minutes. Nobody comparable to Chris Sale on that team and that's okay. It wasnt any given moment though. His numbers for almost a calender year were that of an ace. He wasnt inconsistent at all, he was straight up dominant. Before the 05 break, and after the 06 break it was the inconsistent guy. But he absolutely elevated his game to an Ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Didn't the Count break the record for most decisions won in a row? It was like 15 or something. He was definitely an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 51m In order to trade Chris Sale, sources say, White Sox would be looking for a package much bigger than what David Price is expected to get. As they should be. His contract is f***ing insanely great. The guy is signed through 2019. Edited December 9, 2013 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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