Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

[GGajewski18]

Not. Gonna. Happen.

 

What are you heading that had a chanc of happening?

[southsider2k5]

Have you guys seen Bradley pitch? There is legitimate reason to believe he could be at least comparable to Sale as soon as next year. The kid is a stud. If we get him in a package the rest of the pieces are going to significantly diminish from what it would be if he wasn't involved.

 

If you're trading Sale you are officially in full blown rebuild mode. So why lessen the amount and quality of prospects for 1 SP? Might as well just keep Sale and keep trying to build around him if you're going to do that. Not to mention that Skaggs is no joke and not such a bad "fall back" plan. Obviously I have no idea what the talks are like (if there even are any), but I'd have to imagine Towers is going to be seriously stubborn about trading Bradley + a significant package for Sale.

 

That is the problem. Sale IS that good. Bradley had three if statements in one sentence.

[southsider2k5]

If it does happen, I think most Sox fans, if informed, would be doing cartwheels. Meeting his price is going to be next to impossible.

 

Again, unless it was Trout or Stanton, I won't be happy.

[BlackSox13]

Again, unless it was Trout or Stanton, I won't be happy.

Would either of those trades be straight up or would the Sox get others as well? Not sure myself as both players are valuable.

[Lillian]

Does Hoffman, Kolek, or anyone else the Sox might have the chance to pick in the Draft, have "Ace" potential, anytime soon?

 

I'd be OK with dealing Sale for the right package, if the Sox could get Tanaka, and that potential stud, with the #3 pick.

However, everything about that scenario is a real long shot.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Lillian

[ewokpelts]

Speaking as someone who has been loading up in his autograph cards on ebay, I hope the sox don't trade him

[ewokpelts]

I suspect Hahn will ask any team wanting sale to pick up Danks and Dunn. That'll shut up most teams.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Does Hoffman, Kolek, or anyone else the Sox might have the chance to pick in the Draft, have "Ace" potential, anytime soon?

 

Kolek is a high school kid so anytime soon is probably out of the question. Hoffman? Ehh who knows. From what I've seen he would probably have to improve his change up a lot, or just add a new 3rd pitch all together. His fastball and command seem to be there and his curve ball seems legit, but he doesn't use much else at this point. Rondon is the guy you want if you're looking for immediate big impact. Unfortunately he's more than likely not falling to 3rd.

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

If you can get a package of Bradley, Davidson, Gregorius, Trahan and Eaton for Sale, I think you have to strongly consider it.

Since we're talking crazy trades....

 

I don't even want a lot prospects if Sale goes to AZ you start with Corbin ,Gregorius, Parra, Polllock .They can keep Owings. We can give up Alexei and DeAza Then AZ can throw in Matt Davidson and Justin Williams. So basically...

 

Sale for Corbin . Sale LH ace controlled til 2019 at very reasonable price. Corbin LH same age as Sale already very good but not the great contract Sale has.

 

Alexei for Gregorius. Alexei 32 $10M a yr for next 2 years . Gregorius turning 24 in Feb. LH hitter very good fielder limited hitting skills.

 

De Aza turning 30 in April LH decent power bad fielder bad baserunner for Parra turns 27 in May very good fielder not much power but LH.

 

AJ Pollock OF Matt Davidson and Justin Williams for the great contract Sale has.

 

Pretty lopsided in the Sox favor basically getting their best starting ptcher starting SS and 2 good fielding starting OF's a 3B prospect in Davidson and a low minors OF prospect who has very high upside in Williams . Az would never do it . Maybe Bradley instead of Corbin makes it a little more even but still heavily in our favor.

 

[TheFutureIsNear]

Since we're talking crazy trades....

 

I don't even want a lot prospects if Sale goes to AZ you start with Corbin ,Gregorius, Parra, Polllock .They can keep Owings. We can give up Alexei and DeAza Then AZ can throw in Matt Davidson and Justin Williams. So basically...

 

Sale for Corbin . Sale LH ace controlled til 2019 at very reasonable price. Corbin LH same age as Sale already very good but not the great contract Sale has.

 

Alexei for Gregorius. Alexei 32 $10M a yr for next 2 years . Gregorius turning 24 in Feb. LH hitter very good fielder limited hitting skills.

 

De Aza turning 30 in April LH decent power bad fielder bad baserunner for Parra turns 27 in May very good fielder not much power but LH.

 

AJ Pollock OF Matt Davidson and Justin Williams for the great contract Sale has.

 

Pretty lopsided in the Sox favor basically getting their best starting ptcher starting SS and 2 good fielding starting OF's a 3B prospect in Davidson and a low minors OF prospect who has very high upside in Williams . Az would never do it . Maybe Bradley instead of Corbin makes it a little more even but still heavily in our favor.

 

Why do we want Para and Pollock? What do they really do for us? They are both on the wrong side of 25 and pretty marginal players anyway.

[Steve9347]

Speaking as someone who has been loading up in his autograph cards on ebay, I hope the sox don't trade him

Why? If he goes to a team people actually care about, those likely forged signatures will be worth more.

[witesoxfan]

I suspect Hahn will ask any team wanting sale to pick up Danks and Dunn. That'll shut up most teams.

 

This would be about the absolute worst, worst, worst thing you could do if you are going to trade Chris Sale. You need to load up on prospects if you trade him. Adam Dunn is a free agent after this year and John Danks is still a good pitcher who was in his first year back from injury. What are you going to spend that money on anyways?

 

Maybe you can do that with Santiago or Quintana and get away with it, but it's just not smart to do with Sale.

[Lillian]

Kolek is a high school kid so anytime soon is probably out of the question. Hoffman? Ehh who knows. From what I've seen he would probably have to improve his change up a lot, or just add a new 3rd pitch all together. His fastball and command seem to be there and his curve ball seems legit, but he doesn't use much else at this point. Rondon is the guy you want if you're looking for immediate big impact. Unfortunately he's more than likely not falling to 3rd.

 

I can't believe Rondon would still be there, when the Sox pick.

 

I would want that middle of the order, left handed bat, who was "can't miss", to be included in any trade for Sale.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Why do we want Para and Pollock? What do they really do for us? They are both on the wrong side of 25 and pretty marginal players anyway.

Because they are both really good fielders and our outfielders are very bad fielders and Alexei and De Aza are both older then them so the team does get younger and better defensively by a long shot . Do you want bad fielders or 30+ yr olds or Alexei's $10M contract ? I'd rather have established ML players thanlottery picks. I dont see any AZ minor league hitter who looks all that ML ready with high upside. Eaton sure isn't it. So now being over 25 and very good fielders and league average hitters is all of a sudden a bad thing ?

Edited December 9, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[TheFutureIsNear]

This would be about the absolute worst, worst, worst thing you could do if you are going to trade Chris Sale. You need to load up on prospects if you trade him. Adam Dunn is a free agent after this year and John Danks is still a good pitcher who was in his first year back from injury. What are you going to spend that money on anyways?

 

Maybe you can do that with Santiago or Quintana and get away with it, but it's just not smart to do with Sale.

 

Agreed. Why devalue your most valuable asset? Wait to see if the likes of Dunn and Danks get off to a good 1st 1/2 and tehn try to move them. Or just hold on to Danks as $14M seems to be about the price of an average SP nowadays and I think Danks can be more than that if healthy.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Because they are both really good fielders and our outfielders are very bad fielders and Alexei and De Aza are both older then them so the team does get younger and better defensively by a long shot . Do you want bad fielders or 30+ yr olds or Alexei's $10M contract ? I'd rather have established ML players thanlottery picks. I dont see any AZ minor league hitter who looks all that ML ready with high upside. Eaton sure isn't it. So now being over 25 and very good fielders and league average hitters is all of a sudden a bad thing ?

 

So instead of a lottery ticket you'd rather have guys who you know are already average? We play in the AL in a stadium where routine flyballs regularly end up in the 2nd row. Light hitting defensive OF's shouldn't be a target unless they are 4th OF's. I'd hope that in 2 or so years the AJ Pollacks and Para's of the world won't be good enough to start on our team. At least that's the hope if you are trading 1 of the 5 best Sp's in baseball to start over and rebuild.

 

Owings, Davidson, Drury, Lamb and Trahan are their 5 best hitting prospects, I'd try to get 3 of them

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

So instead of a lottery ticket you'd rather have guys who you know are already average? We play in the AL in a stadium where routine flyballs regularly end up in the 2nd row. Light hitting defensive OF's shouldn't be a target unless they are 4th OF's. I'd hope that in 2 or so years the AJ Pollacks and Para's of the world won't be good enough to start on our team. At least that's the hope if you are trading 1 of the 5 best Sp's in baseball to start over and rebuild.

 

Owings, Davidson, Drury, Lamb and Trahan are their 5 best hitting prospects, I'd try to get 3 of them

Average hitters still young enough to do better and really good fielders . Do you not value defense at all ? Gregorius , Pollock are good fielders, Parra is one of the best. We get younger, payroll drops, more left handed. 3 starters who are better than what we have already have and 3 ( 2 if we get Corbin instead of Bradley) prospects. Uprgrading 2 OF positions unless you think De Aza and Vicedo ( who I didn't trade ) are better. A SS who is right now better than Alexei younger and cheaper. great D at 3 position, the best pitching prospect in baseball or one of the best LH pitchers in the NL, Az 10th (by some) rated prospect in Williams and 8 th in Davidson. Sorry if I want to get better right away than wait to see who busts and who doesn't with a bunch of under 25 yrs olds who aren't all that impressive to begin with.

 

Davidson I already had in the trade so that one of your 3. I had Gregorius over Ownings at SS because Owings might be a 2nd baseman. the others were in either A or rookie ball last year. When is your timetable for getting good ? Also Williams is higher rated by some than those 3 (Trahan, Drury and Lamb) so I inlcuded 2 high rated prosepcts and Bradley and 3 MLers in Parra, Gregorius and Pollock How is that not good enough compared to you just wanting 3 prospects ?

Edited December 9, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[RockRaines]

What are you heading that had a chanc of happening?

I've heard every arm is on the market, except Sale.

[GreenSox]

Sale is worth at least twice as much in prospects as Price. I just can't imagine a team willing to pay that price.

And one reason is that the only reason a team would give up top prospects for an ace is because they are in a win now mode. Well they don't need the full 6 of Sale's cheap years....they just need 2 or 3. But we want to be paid for all 6.

Edited December 9, 2013 by GreenSox

[GGajewski18]

I've heard every arm is on the market, except Sale.

 

Anyone specific in who we are targeting from teams an what teams are interested in our arms?

[Dick Allen]

I've heard every arm is on the market, except Sale.

They have signed 2 free agent pitchers and were in on Josh Johnson. It is pretty obvious what they are looking to move.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Average hitters still young enough to do better and really good fielders . Do you not value defense at all ? Gregorius , Pollock are good fielders, Parra is one of the best. We get younger, payroll drops, more left handed. 3 starters who are better than what we have already have and 3 ( 2 if we get Corbin instead of Bradley) prospects. Uprgrading 2 OF positions unless you think De Aza and Vicedo ( who I didn't trade ) are better. A SS who is right now better than Alexei younger and cheaper. great D at 3 position, the best pitching prospect in baseball or one of the best LH pitchers in the NL, Az 10th (by some) rated prospect in Williams and 8 th in Davidson. Sorry if I want to get better right away than wait to see who busts and who doesn't with a bunch of under 25 yrs olds who aren't all that impressive to begin with.

 

Sorry but you're kidding yourself if you think we'd even win 80 games if Pollack and Para are starting in the OF. Defense is important and all, but if your 3 starting OF's are going to hit a combined 30 HR's you might as well just stay home because you have 0% chance to compete in the American League. Pollack and Parra would be stop gaps on a team that has no shot to compete.

[harfman77]

Sale is worth at least twice as much in prospects as Price. I just can't imagine a team willing to pay that price.

And one reason is that the only reason a team would give up top prospects for an ace is because they are in a win now mode. Well they don't need the full 6 of Sale's cheap years....they just need 2 or 3. But we want to be paid for all 6.

 

This is why Sale wont be traded. Not because he shouldn't be, but because no team in their right mind will give up what it will take to acquire him. It would be the ultimate win now move as they would deplete their organization of young talent.

[Harry Chappas]

You know a team I could see getting into this discussion, Boston. The Yankees as well, although I do not think they have the pieces.

 

Boston and the Yankees can outspend and paper over mistakes, a team like Arizona cannot.

 

The Dodgers as well but they seem to have more pitching then they need already.

 

Actually if Kenny Williams was a GM somewhere, I could see him gutting a farm system for it although he would never have a farm system with enough pieces to begin with.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Harry Chappas

[harfman77]

You know a team I could see getting into this discussion, Boston. The Yankees as well, although I do not think they have the pieces.

 

Boston and the Yankees can outspend and paper over mistakes, a team like Arizona cannot.

 

The Dodgers as well but they seem to have more pitching then they need already.

 

Actually if Kenny Williams was a GM somewhere, I could see him gutting a farm system for it although he would never have a farm system with enough pieces to begin with.

 

The Dodgers are after Price, so they dont seem to think that they have enough pitching. The Dodgers and Red Sox make sense, but I doubt they would give up what it would take to make a deal happen, especially Boston. Boston has the pieces, but not the incentive to move those pieces in a trade. The Dodgers problem is that they would have to either eat Kemps contract or give up Puig to get in the bdding for Sale.