Teams begging Sox for Chris Sale

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

All defense, no offense players aren't that hard to find. You certainly don't need to use Sale to find them.

I want the Sox to get better defensive players too...but not for him. I want to dump Ramirez et al for younger players, even if they can't hit. You only want those type of players up the middle anyway...never at a corner position.

They aren't no offense they're average offense in the Majors with plus defense which makes them better than 1/2 the Sox position players already. Getting to average while being younger with pitching and defense is the next logical step in the progression towards good. To me it's better then 6 prospects . all from different levels of the minors, who ,if you're lucky, 2 of them get to average in the Majors in the near future but certainly not all getting good all at the same time which is what it would take to get to good. About a 1% chance of actually happening.

 

But it won't happen any way but it's more about getting a philosophy of progressing towards a better team more than anything.Right now the outfield defense still is bad and we still have about 5 holes to fill to get to good. Also Pollock is a CF and Gregorius is a SS so those are up the middle good defensive players . So it would look like this :

 

SS Gregorius

Lf Parra/ Viciedo

Cf Pollock Justin Williams 18 y/o A

RF Garcia

3B Gillaspie Davidson 22 y/o in AAA

1B Abreu

2B Beckham

C Flowers/Phegley

DH Dunn/ Konerko/Viciedo

 

Starters

 

Bradley or Corbin

Quintana

Santiago

Johnson

Danks

Rienzo

Edited December 10, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[hi8is]

Congrats hi8is. It is strange that fathers say 'dope' now.

On Internet boards - they say "poop" a lot too

Thanks Rabbit

[hi8is]

Ha, you are definitely the poop guy around here.

I'll be dealing with a lot of it, soon

[wardo2178]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

[caulfield12]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

 

 

That's just dumb. Why would we target a pitcher who isn't nearly as good as Sale (more like a strong 3 or weak 2 in the AL) that we'd have pay twice as much to extend for the same amount of time?

 

The only way it makes sense is if our scouts KNOW that Soler is going to be the next Mike Stanton, and that's highly unlikely.

 

If they viewed him as being in the same class as Puig and Abreu, then it would become an interesting decision. But without having a clue what Soler's going to do, it's a huge win for the Cubs. If the Cubs were willing to build their future around Samardzija and give him an $80-100 million contract extension, they would have done it already.

 

So you're deal with a pitcher hyped as a #1 who isn't living up to that billing but is looking for dollars in line with ace status, versus a verified/proven ace.

Edited December 10, 2013 by caulfield12

[Real]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

 

Cubs get outbid by 5-6 teams if that's their best offer

[Rowand44]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

If that's the case which I highly doubt it is then you simply don't trade him. Not too difficult.

[Dunt]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

 

Cubs fan or something? That's awful

[wardo2178]

Cubs fan or something? That's awful

 

Not at all. And i'm just using the Cubs as an example. I think that is a realistic return because although he has been an ace and is very controllable, there are a lot of question marks with him. His mechanics are unorthodox, and he's still young. You don't know in a few years if his arm will give out and he will continue to have his current success. Plus a team is not going to give every one of their major-league ready prospects for one guy.

 

Honestly if i was Hahn i'd look to move him right now, when the demand for him is probably higher than it ever will be. I just don't think the return is going to be as much as expected, and fans will be upset.

[Quin]

Not at all. And i'm just using the Cubs as an example. I think that is a realistic return because although he has been an ace and is very controllable, there are a lot of question marks with him. His mechanics are unorthodox, and he's still young. You don't know in a few years if his arm will give out and he will continue to have his current success. Plus a team is not going to give every one of their major-league ready prospects for one guy.

 

Honestly if i was Hahn i'd look to move him right now, when the demand for him is probably higher than it ever will be. I just don't think the return is going to be as much as expected, and fans will be upset.

 

If you were Hahn and accepted that offer, you'd be fired on the spot.

[wardo2178]

If you were Hahn and accepted that offer, you'd be fired on the spot.

 

Probably not. You get a pitcher back who's controllable through arbitration until 2016, and in a couple of years a guy who could help your outfield. And most likely add to your minor league pitching stock for future trades with the one or two pitchers that would come from the Sale trade. The goal is to compete long term, so getting rid of one pitcher for help in both pitching and the outfield is seen more of a long-term goal than holding on to a guy who may blow his arm out and as good as he is, only pitches one out of every 5 games.

[Dunt]

Not at all. And i'm just using the Cubs as an example. I think that is a realistic return because although he has been an ace and is very controllable, there are a lot of question marks with him. His mechanics are unorthodox, and he's still young. You don't know in a few years if his arm will give out and he will continue to have his current success. Plus a team is not going to give every one of their major-league ready prospects for one guy.

 

Honestly if i was Hahn i'd look to move him right now, when the demand for him is probably higher than it ever will be. I just don't think the return is going to be as much as expected, and fans will be upset.

 

Nothing about your argument makes sense. Sale is a known commodity, he has performed at an elite level since entering the league. If anything, the question marks are Shark and Soler. The haul for Sale would be unprecedented, if you think it'll be anything else you just aren't paying attention. Hahn isn't dumb, he isn't going to move an elite LHP ace for scraps. You really sound like a Cubs fan.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Not at all. And i'm just using the Cubs as an example. I think that is a realistic return because although he has been an ace and is very controllable, there are a lot of question marks with him. His mechanics are unorthodox, and he's still young. You don't know in a few years if his arm will give out and he will continue to have his current success. Plus a team is not going to give every one of their major-league ready prospects for one guy.

 

Honestly if i was Hahn i'd look to move him right now, when the demand for him is probably higher than it ever will be. I just don't think the return is going to be as much as expected, and fans will be upset.

 

The Rays got the #1 hitting prospect and a top 20 or so pitching prospect in return for shields just last year. Sale has WAY more value that shields.

 

If you're using the Cubs as an example the trade starts with Soler and 1 of Almora/Bryant. Starts there....I'm not very familiar with the Cubs pitching prospects but at least 1 of their top 3 would also be in that deal.

 

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

Probably not. You get a pitcher back who's controllable through arbitration until 2016, and in a couple of years a guy who could help your outfield. And most likely add to your minor league pitching stock for future trades with the one or two pitchers that would come from the Sale trade. The goal is to compete long term, so getting rid of one pitcher for help in both pitching and the outfield is seen more of a long-term goal than holding on to a guy who may blow his arm out and as good as he is, only pitches one out of every 5 games.

 

 

Are you joking? Sale is signed through 2019 at just under $60 million. He is the best LH starter in the AL and he is under control. Even if he has Tommy John Surgery, the contract is still a bargain. That's how good it is. Sale will not be traded unless a package similar to what has been cited on here is offered. There is no reason to.

[GreenSox]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

One above average pitcher signed for 2 years and one top prospect isn't close to his value. They'd have to throw in another Soler; in fact, keep the Smardzija, and add a third top prospect and another solid prospect.

Of course, I don't disagree that it will be hard to find teams who will pay his value: 6 cheap years of an ace.

It's easier for Tampa to trade Price, because Price's value is only 2 cheap years of an ace.

[witesoxfan]

I disagree. From reading what some have said, they are either a). unobjectively against trading Sale, b).don't trust Sox to develop any prospect, or c). expect Mike Trout back in return.

 

Do you expect them to make Sale available? That decreases their leverage. If someone wants to talk, the Sox will listen, but they won't make counter offers. There's no need. They have an incredibly young and valuable piece on hand. If someone wants to make an offer, the Sox are not going to say "No, we won't listen." They are going to say "Thanks, we'll get back to you after we've had time to discuss."

 

If it gets to a tenuous point of negotiations where the Sox might actually consider it (read: a team is offering 4-5 legitimate prospects), then the Sox may begin making counter offers in an attempt to draw out everything they can. Until that point, they have no need to say he's available or that they are willing to negotiate.

 

I expect that Sale is unavailable, that they are still willing to listen to offers, but do not expect them to move him. Reinsdorf has said virtually the exact same thing.

[southsider2k5]

Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this

 

Cubs acquire: Chris Sale

White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect

 

That would be awful.

[Harry Chappas]

Probably not. You get a pitcher back who's controllable through arbitration until 2016, and in a couple of years a guy who could help your outfield. And most likely add to your minor league pitching stock for future trades with the one or two pitchers that would come from the Sale trade. The goal is to compete long term, so getting rid of one pitcher for help in both pitching and the outfield is seen more of a long-term goal than holding on to a guy who may blow his arm out and as good as he is, only pitches one out of every 5 games.

 

A s*** pitcher and a player with a broken leg....why did I even bother.

[southsider2k5]

Well the Santiago deal probably throws dirt on to the one in a hundred chances that Sale got dealt.

[BlackSox13]

Yeah, with Santiago gone I think its safe to say Sale stays put and will be the opening day starter. May this thread rest in peace.

Edited December 10, 2013 by StRoostifer

[witesoxfan]

May as well keep it open. Arizona still has a ton of prospects and they always made the most sense to begin with.

[harfman77]

May as well keep it open. Arizona still has a ton of prospects and they always made the most sense to begin with.

 

It really hinges around the dbacks giving up Bradley. If so they have enough workable pieces to get a deal done. Same goes for Seattle and Walker.

[witesoxfan]

It really hinges around the dbacks giving up Bradley. If so they have enough workable pieces to get a deal done. Same goes for Seattle and Walker.

 

I agree. I'd still put it at about 1:1000, but I'm telling you there's a chance.

[BlackSox13]

I've been all about keeping an open mind to trading Sale and I agree AZ still has the young players we would desire but its just hard for me to imagine a trade happening now. Doesn't mean we can't speculate til we trade DeAza and have something else to talk about. How about a DeAza trade speculation/value thread? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

[harfman77]

I've been all about keeping an open mind to trading Sale and I agree AZ still has the young players we would desire but its just hard for me to imagine a trade happening now. Doesn't mean we can't speculate til we trade DeAza and have something else to talk about. How about a DeAza trade speculation/value thread? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

 

Thats probably better for the winter meetings thread.