bmags Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Whoa this is crazy. I expected this to die a quick death but suddenly it's moving really fast toward trading Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:32 AM) suddenly it's moving really fast toward trading Sale. um... says who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) um... says who? Nobody because he isnt going to be traded Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 7m I asked a GM who is in the market for pitching about Chris Sale. "He's not out there,'' the GM said. #whitesox https://twitter.com/jcrasnick Edited December 9, 2013 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:36 PM) um... says who? Well compared to the first page. Not saying he's even past 20% likelihood but the messaging has shown a lot more daylight than I would have expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) The only thing that makes me consider trading Sale is if we got a guy like Archie Bradley in return and he pans out. There is a decent chance the trade is worthwhile. Bradley becomes the ace he can definitely can be and Sale gets injured we win the trade right there. Plus the other 4-7 assets we get. Surely a big if, but that's where my head is at right now. Would have to be a monster package with Bradley included. Bradley is just as likely to get hurt as Chris and obviously he hasn't proven anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/410131048245104640 Who is going to tell Merkin the Sox play the Twins on March 31st and they have off on April 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) Personally if I'm Hahn I'm telling Towers he can keep Bradley and that I want as many pieces as possible. I feel like the package diminishes a good deal if Bradley is involved. Skaggs Chafin Owings Davidson Trahan Eaton Spruill Lamb Drury Pick your favorite 6 and tell them that's the package for Sale. Edited December 9, 2013 by TheFutureIsNear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 If you think the White Sox need to totally rebuild, trading Sale gets it on the fast track. You acquire at least 2 or 3 drafts worth of top talent who have already had minor league seasoning. If you think a re-tool is all that is needed, you keep Sale. If its a waste to have a top end closer on a bad team, isn't it a waste to have Chris Sale pitching on 90 loss teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 It would be interesting to see a study about the effects of trading away a guy who can win you Games 1, 4, 7 in a series. Seems like the sort of thing where you HAVE to declare yourself not one iota of win-now in order to do it. And we may be at that point. But seeing as how we just signed a 26 year old to big money, it seems like we aren't of that mindset. It seems the Sox want to win a world series in, say, 2015. So if that really is the true aim, then Sale stays. You can trade Sale for an amazing haul and then find you traded Sale for 5 Gordon Beckhams. So it really is a franchise-defining stand when you do this-- but the Abreu contract already was a stand in a different direction from that..........in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) Personally if I'm Hahn I'm telling Towers he can keep Bradley and that I want as many pieces as possible. I feel like the package diminishes a good deal if Bradley is involved. Skaggs Chafin Owings Davidson Trahan Eaton Spruill Lamb Drury Pick your favorite 6 and tell them that's the package for Sale. No way, if you're trading Sale, Bradley is a must IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) The only thing that makes me consider trading Sale is if we got a guy like Archie Bradley in return and he pans out. There is a decent chance the trade is worthwhile. Bradley becomes the ace he can definitely can be and Sale gets injured we win the trade right there. Plus the other 4-7 assets we get. Surely a big if, but that's where my head is at right now. Would have to be a monster package with Bradley included. That is the hindsight part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) If you can get a package of Bradley, Davidson, Gregorius, Trahan and Eaton for Sale, I think you have to strongly consider it. Edited December 9, 2013 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Wow, guy on MLB Network said Sale is a very strong number 2 on his way to a good number 1 starter.. What an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Wow, guy on MLB Network said Sale is a very strong number 2 on his way to a good number 1 starter.. What an idiot Dumbass media head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Wow, guy on MLB Network said Sale is a very strong number 2 on his way to a good number 1 starter.. What an idiot John Hart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) John Hart. Wow. I thought he was smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) John Hart. Yep after saying he is better then David Price. But yeah he is a number 2 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) Personally if I'm Hahn I'm telling Towers he can keep Bradley and that I want as many pieces as possible. I feel like the package diminishes a good deal if Bradley is involved. Skaggs Chafin Owings Davidson Trahan Eaton Spruill Lamb Drury Pick your favorite 6 and tell them that's the package for Sale. Then you can rename Sale Herschell Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Have you guys seen Bradley pitch? There is legitimate reason to believe he could be at least comparable to Sale as soon as next year. The kid is a stud. If we get him in a package the rest of the pieces are going to significantly diminish from what it would be if he wasn't involved. If you're trading Sale you are officially in full blown rebuild mode. So why lessen the amount and quality of prospects for 1 SP? Might as well just keep Sale and keep trying to build around him if you're going to do that. Not to mention that Skaggs is no joke and not such a bad "fall back" plan. Obviously I have no idea what the talks are like (if there even are any), but I'd have to imagine Towers is going to be seriously stubborn about trading Bradley + a significant package for Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) Personally if I'm Hahn I'm telling Towers he can keep Bradley and that I want as many pieces as possible. I feel like the package diminishes a good deal if Bradley is involved. Skaggs Chafin Owings Davidson Trahan Eaton Spruill Lamb Drury Pick your favorite 6 and tell them that's the package for Sale. It's quality, not quantity. Bradley has the potential to be as good as Sale with more years of control. Bradley could potential replace Sale as frontline SP in two years, then you build off of him as insurance for the possibility that won't happen. The way the Sox "win" a trade would be Bradley becoming an ace, Davidson and Owings/Gregorius manning 3B and SS, respectively, and Skaggs or any other pitchers become steady rotation guys. If you can fill 3-4 spots with positive value guys to overtake the value of one player, you can comfortable trade Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/410131048245104640 Who is going to tell Merkin the Sox play the Twins on March 31st and they have off on April 1? He is right. Its gonna rain/snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Not. Gonna. Happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:18 PM) Not. Gonna. Happen. If it does happen, I think most Sox fans, if informed, would be doing cartwheels. Meeting his price is going to be next to impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) It's quality, not quantity. Bradley has the potential to be as good as Sale with more years of control. Bradley could potential replace Sale as frontline SP in two years, then you build off of him as insurance for the possibility that won't happen. The way the Sox "win" a trade would be Bradley becoming an ace, Davidson and Owings/Gregorius manning 3B and SS, respectively, and Skaggs or any other pitchers become steady rotation guys. If you can fill 3-4 spots with positive value guys to overtake the value of one player, you can comfortable trade Sale. See my post above. Who knows, maybe I'm underestimating him, but I can't see Towers entertaining that kind of offer. I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that we are keeping Sale if that's the type of package Hahn is holding out for. Not necessarily a bad thing of course.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:18 PM) Not. Gonna. Happen. Aww. I like trade rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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