GGajewski18 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 According to Chris Cotillo. Anybody know anything about this kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Here ya go... http://m.bbref.com/m?p=XXminorsXXplayer.cgiQQid=nieto-001adr It doesn't say but he appears to be catcher seeing as how he has a caught stealing percentage. Like that he's a switch hitter! Edited December 10, 2013 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) According to Chris Cotillo. Anybody know anything about this kid? Well, he's Cuban. Guess it could make a little sense? But he's 24 and has only played in High-A, so that doesn't exactly make me think he's a legit option. At least Carlos Perez has played in Triple-A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:39 PM) Here ya go... http://m.bbref.com/m?p=XXminorsXXplayer.cgiQQid=nieto-001adr It doesn't say but he appears to be catcher seeing as how he has a caught stealing percentage. Like that he's a switch hitter! Seems to be a ton of SH catchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:00 AM) Pass. Why? If the scouting department likes him over Carlos Perez or any other Rule 5 eligible catcher, then bring him in. There's next to no risk involved. Best case scenario is that you get a starter and perhaps a very good starter out of the process. Worst case scenario is that you return them back and you're out $25K, which is chump change for a major league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:24 AM) Why? If the scouting department likes him over Carlos Perez or any other Rule 5 eligible catcher, then bring him in. There's next to no risk involved. Best case scenario is that you get a starter and perhaps a very good starter out of the process. Worst case scenario is that you return them back and you're out $25K, which is chump change for a major league team. Because he's been in the minors for 5 years and has only hit moderately well one year. Yes he was signed out of High School but with the 3rd pick in the Rule 5 draft - I suspect there is a better option out there who could build more value in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) Because he's been in the minors for 5 years and has only hit moderately well one year. Yes he was signed out of High School but with the 3rd pick in the Rule 5 draft - I suspect there is a better option out there who could build more value in our system. He's also had one good year in the past one. Sometimes young players, especially catchers, take a while to develop and, in Cubans' cases, can occasionally suffer from bouts of culture shock. He's grown acclimated, he was moved up, he has shown power and the ability to draw a walk, he wasn't terribly old for his level, and his CS% isn't bad. If the Sox feel that his bat can handle MLB pitching and he can handle the pitching staff, then there is no harm in bringnig him in and giving him a chance. His OPS was more than 100 points higher than league average. Like I said, if the Sox feel he is the right guy, then bring him in; if not, they won't. If he doesn't work out, then send him back to Washington. There's no risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:24 AM) Why? If the scouting department likes him over Carlos Perez or any other Rule 5 eligible catcher, then bring him in. There's next to no risk involved. Best case scenario is that you get a starter and perhaps a very good starter out of the process. Worst case scenario is that you return them back and you're out $25K, which is chump change for a major league team. Yeah God forbid he forces Phegley to start the year in AAA. Best scenario IMO is we trade for a young catcher with past MLB success who we can all get excited about, take a Rule-5 guy, make Flowers and the Rule-5 guy fight for the backup job in Spring, Phegley is in AAA to start the year and later serves as trade bait/backup insurance, and who knows, maybe when it's all said and done we've turned this mess into a team strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:24 AM) Why? If the scouting department likes him over Carlos Perez or any other Rule 5 eligible catcher, then bring him in. There's next to no risk involved. Best case scenario is that you get a starter and perhaps a very good starter out of the process. Worst case scenario is that you return them back and you're out $25K, which is chump change for a major league team. Because Nieto is 23 in A ball and Perez is 22 and has made it to AAA. Nieto would be completely overmatched against big league pitching, at least Perez might be able to adjust given his experience at different levels. How many picks do the Sox get to make? Do they still have two slots open since Bellisario and Paulino signed after 12/2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) Because Nieto is 23 in A ball and Perez is 22 and has made it to AAA. Nieto would be completely overmatched against big league pitching, at least Perez might be able to adjust given his experience at different levels. How many picks do the Sox get to make? Do they still have two slots open since Bellisario and Paulino signed after 12/2? I'm sure they could get both if they really wanted to. Who's in front, Astros and...? Sox could make a small deal. The thinking with ANY Rule-5 IMO has to be Flowers (out of options) vs. Rule-5 pick, and if both look good in ST then you start the season with both, otherwise it's just 1 roster spot. Keeping 2 Rule-5 picks on the roster would be very difficult obviously, but you could trade for both just to have that competition in Spring while knowing you'd return one. Whoever would make it just has to be on the 25-man or DL through the season to be kept, and then he could go back to the minors if he had to. Edited December 10, 2013 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) Because Nieto is 23 in A ball and Perez is 22 and has made it to AAA. Nieto would be completely overmatched against big league pitching, at least Perez might be able to adjust given his experience at different levels. How many picks do the Sox get to make? Do they still have two slots open since Bellisario and Paulino signed after 12/2? Check out the recent history of the rule 5 draft. The Sox will be lucky if they actually draft a guy who sticks. The fact is neither is probably ready to take a roster spot. Maybe Nieto is a guy who the Sox feel could be decent in a couple of years, and more likely a guy his former team would either say keep him if you like or work out a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:53 PM) Seems to be a ton of SH catchers. And how many do the Sox have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) I'm sure they could get both if they really wanted to. Who's in front, Astros and...? Sox could make a small deal. The thinking with ANY Rule-5 IMO has to be Flowers (out of options) vs. Rule-5 pick, and if both look good in ST then you start the season with both, otherwise it's just 1 roster spot. Keeping 2 Rule-5 picks on the roster would be very difficult obviously, but you could trade for both just to have that competition in Spring while knowing you'd return one. Whoever would make it just has to be on the 25-man or DL through the season to be kept, and then he could go back to the minors if he had to. I was thinking they might be able to add another bullpen arm in the draft and start Webb and Petricka back in AAA. Someone like Freddy Lewis (LHRP) or Brody Colvin (former Phillies #1 prospect) if they had enough slots to make two picks. Yes the history of rule V picks isn't great, but you want to give your self the best opportunity to hit the jackpot on your lottery ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I wonder if they could be targeting Nieto in the minor league portion of the Rule V draft, that means he would have to be on the AA roster all season, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) Check out the recent history of the rule 5 draft. The Sox will be lucky if they actually draft a guy who sticks. The fact is neither is probably ready to take a roster spot. Maybe Nieto is a guy who the Sox feel could be decent in a couple of years, and more likely a guy his former team would either say keep him if you like or work out a trade. That's probably the most likely scenario of all where we end up keeping the player. There could even be some understanding between the 2 clubs prior to ST that if the Sox like the guy they would be willing to trade the rights of X Y or Z for the rights of their Rule-5 pick. ST is the easiest time to make deals because FO personnel and scouts are all in the same places and it's easy to find something you might like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) Because Nieto is 23 in A ball and Perez is 22 and has made it to AAA. Nieto would be completely overmatched against big league pitching, at least Perez might be able to adjust given his experience at different levels. How many picks do the Sox get to make? Do they still have two slots open since Bellisario and Paulino signed after 12/2? In 296 plate appearances, Carlos Perez put up a .269/.328/.345/.672 line in the PCL. The league's splits were .270/.342/.414/.756. He's been to AAA, woo hoo, he was still terrible there. It appears he can handle the bat, but I've never seen him or Nieto. Also, just because a guy has not played above A+ does not mean you could not use him in the majors. Jesus Flores had never been above A+ ball and he appeared to be turning into a good catcher before he was injured. Hamilton never played above A+ ball either. If the Sox feel Nieto is their guy, then that's what they feel. No matter who they take, they'll likely end up being terrible and/or returned to their original teams anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) I'm sure they could get both if they really wanted to. Who's in front, Astros and...? Sox could make a small deal. The thinking with ANY Rule-5 IMO has to be Flowers (out of options) vs. Rule-5 pick, and if both look good in ST then you start the season with both, otherwise it's just 1 roster spot. Keeping 2 Rule-5 picks on the roster would be very difficult obviously, but you could trade for both just to have that competition in Spring while knowing you'd return one. Whoever would make it just has to be on the 25-man or DL through the season to be kept, and then he could go back to the minors if he had to. I believe you have to be taking up an active spot on the 40-man, so if placed on the DL, it has to be the 15-day DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) I was thinking they might be able to add another bullpen arm in the draft and start Webb and Petricka back in AAA. Someone like Freddy Lewis (LHRP) or Brody Colvin (former Phillies #1 prospect) if they had enough slots to make two picks. Yes the history of rule V picks isn't great, but you want to give your self the best opportunity to hit the jackpot on your lottery ticket. Relievers are the best bet in general because you can hide them, use them as specialists, etc. but OTOH big-armed relievers who currently suck are pretty easy to acquire throughout the season. Every year we dump off a Jhan Marinez or a Gregory Infante or a Clevelan Santeliz and so on, these guys are around the league all the time. It's certainly much less llikely we'd get a catcher to stick over a reliever but I'd try for the catcher just because it would mean so much more if we actually did get some kind of good result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 WOW. Slow news day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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