RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:47 PM) Hey Rock, you Hearing any other whispers out there other than this, or abouth this? Vet MI, and an OF bat was always the course. Dealing SP to acquire was definitely something that was going to happen. I dont see them modifying the pen much if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 07:28 PM) Young cost controlled starter with a career ERA of 3.30 and Ks 8.9 per 9? Doubt it. He needs to be a little more efficient but it's fixable. Santiago had a better ERA last year for the Sox than Gavin Floyd ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 For all the people saying they'd much rather be getting Davidson or Owings. According to BA at the end of 2013 season Eaton is ranked ahead of them both on the Dbacks top 15 under 25 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:33 PM) For all the people saying they'd much rather be getting Davidson or Owings. According to BA at the end of 2013 season Eaton is ranked ahead of them both on the Dbacks top 15 under 25 years old Nice tidbit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 The increase in production (if there is any) is going to be offset by the damage to the rotation when you have to force Johnson and Rienzo into it, and still not knowing if Danks is ever going to improve. And it's not like we didn't draft/trade for about five minor league outfielders in the last 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) He has a career xFIP of 4.66 in his career as a starter. Gavin Floyd has a better career xFIP than Mark Buehrle. Pardon me while I don't think much of that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Vet MI, and an OF bat was always the course. Dealing SP to acquire was definitely something that was going to happen. I dont see them modifying the pen much if at all. Wish Kendrick was involved. We'd have a much, much better looking team if he or a similar player was here. Then you'd just need a serviceable catcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) I know you guys hate it and it's going to do nothing to change your mind, but his FIPs and xFIPs have been in the 4.4-4.7 range. He walks too many guys, doesn't throw enough ground balls, doesn't work deep into games, and was either really lucky/good/both about stranding runners. I'll be the first to admit I don't follow FIP and xFIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Vet MI, and an OF bat was always the course. Dealing SP to acquire was definitely something that was going to happen. I dont see them modifying the pen much if at all. Nothing on C or 3B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Young cost controlled starter with a career ERA of 3.30 and Ks 8.9 per 9? Doubt it. He needs to be a little more efficient but it's fixable. Beaten like a drum. I just can't argue with people who ignore advanced statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:33 PM) The increase in production (if there is any) is going to be offset by the damage to the rotation when you have to force Johnson and Rienzo into it, and still not knowing if Danks is ever going to improve. And it's not like we didn't draft/trade for about five minor league outfielders in the last 3-4 years. It all comes back to the fact that if De Aza didn't play so goofy last year, he could have stayed in CF and the Sox would still have Santiago on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) Nothing on C or 3B? You didnt read the Uribe rumbling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) I'm waiting to hear what the finalized deal is...something keeps telling me that there is more. I'm still hoping Kendrick is involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I got no problem trading Santiago for Eaton straight across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:33 PM) Nice tidbit! I think people are drastically understating Eaton. He was also ranked ahead of them both heading into last year in the dbacks top 10 prospects. A year ago today, we would have been laughed at and hung up on if we offered Hector for Eaton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) You didnt read the Uribe rumbling? It's been confirmed as BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 There is a report now that the player the Dbacks would get from the Angels would have to pass through the Rule-5 draft on Thursday, which means this deal may not even get finalized for another 2 days. That blows. I hope that doesn't stop Hahn from making other moves now because he has to make sure this one goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) I got no problem trading Santiago for Eaton straight across. Me either, at all. Santiago was a borderline SP to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) It's been confirmed as BS. Eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) He's stolen 38 and 44 bases in the minors before, had good walk numbers, and made contact. Hopefully the top of the lineup can be Eaton-Avi-JDA I hope Avi ends up being a middle of the lineup bat. I've been saying this for awhile, and my logic may be off but, I wanna see Lexi hit 2nd behind a guy who can consistently get on base(Eaton looks like he can be that guy). Last 3 years Lexi has hit .304/.346/.439 with runners on, in 749 ABs. I'm thinking Eaton-Lexi-JDA-Dunn-Avi 1-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Gavin Floyd has a better career xFIP than Mark Buehrle. Pardon me while I don't think much of that number. Well the Sox do -- that's why they let MB walk, and that's probably one of the main reasons they're trading Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) I think people are drastically understating Eaton. He was also ranked ahead of them both heading into last year in the dbacks top 10 prospects. A year ago today, we would have been laughed at and hung up on if we offered Hector for Eaton It's funny because before last season I picked my AL and NL ROYs as Wil Myers and Adam Eaton. At least I got one of those right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) Eh. to play 2B or 3B? Have to think 3B, in which case I wonder how many old, slow, RH 3B we need along with our young, average LH 3B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) I'll be the first to admit I don't follow FIP and xFIP. And that's fine, I have no problem with that. They aren't the holy grail either. I think Santiago can certainly improve as a starter and his game will play much better in LA than it did and does here, but to me I think he will ultimately be more of a #3/4 rather than a #2/3. We will see though. I really like Eaton though and think he is going to be a nice addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Well the Sox do -- that's why they let MB walk, and that's probably one of the main reasons they're trading Santiago. How many years did the Sox employ Mark Buehrle, and have him start opening day, and pitch him in the playoffs and WS? xFIP had nothing to do with him leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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