The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) I hope, if he's still doing this, the White Sox get him to stop. No reason trying to bait runners from the OF. It will backfire. Just get the ball in. Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. He's making another comeback so maybe we'll see it again some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Right, but we're trading a low ceiling pitcher for a high ceiling player. Who helps in the various areas of need that will matter in '15, '16 etc. When you hold onto tons of pitching depth in a bad year, you sink an asset just by waiting til that inevitable arm injury. Holding onto too much starting pitching without having anything else on your team = not good. Those assets are the ones more likely to depreciate due to wear and tear. This would all be different if we were a good team right now, with a healthy farm system. That is not the case. If you go on about Santiago being 'mishandled' (as if pitchers MLB-wide dont go through the same kind of things when they're not 'special')............then why can't i bring in Eaton's UCL situation as well? we can go on about those things and uncover excuses left and right. Calling Santiago low ceiling is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:41 PM) Phil Rogers @philgrogers 8m White Sox's addition of Adam Eaton opens door to trading Alejandro De Aza, who could fit with @Orioles and @SFGiants , among others. Let me guess, our return will be a lower level minor league pitcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) We're not getting a prospect but we're giving one, that's confirmed now. Better not be one of our 5 or 6 interesting ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. BA was putting together an historical season defensively advanced metrics-wise when he was benched. He was benched because he hit like a typical member of the 2013 White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Bye De aza, take your dymb baserunning skills elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 LOL, not really. Thank you for being one of the few informed voices here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 So either the Sox are trading a potential #2 starter for a 4th outfielder or the Sox gave up a #4/#5 starter for a starting CF with some pop Guess we just have to trust Hahn that option B comes to fruition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 As much as De Aza does stupid things, I hope the Sox find a trade for Viciedo that makes sense. I think he's terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:43 PM) Let me guess, our return will be a lower level minor league pitcher? Which wouldn't be enough for ADA, but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) Did everyone just hear "grinder" on Eaton and let that color all their perceptions? That's what it seems like in this thread. Eaton is a high ceiling guy, of the right age to matter ASAP, who hasnt had enough MLB at-bats. For months we say this is the type of guy we wanted and now we get upset? I dont get it. I don't know what people are smoking. Eaton has an incredibly high ceiling, and the only reason he's getting dealt is because of his injury-riddled 2013. This is going to wind up being a steal - like Carlos Quentin 2.0 in terms of "holy s*** why'd they do this?" Hopefully he has more staying power, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) As much as De Aza does stupid things, I hope the Sox find a trade for Viciedo that makes sense. I think he's terrible. Same, I cant stand watching him play baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:32 PM) I disagree, Eaton has talent, he was a top 100 prospect last year. His minor league slash line over 1,560 PA's is .348/.450/.501 and he played hurt last year. Obviously we identified him as a player we wanted to acquire and the cost wasn't prohibitive. I realize that Adam Eaton looks to be a different type of player than Carlos Quentin, but something about acquiring an injured outfielder from the Diamondbacks because they had a surplus at that position appears to be a good sign to me! Adam Eaton for 2014 American League MVP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 In 2007-08, the White Sox traded Chris Carter to Arizona for Carlos Quentin. Chris Carter was then later involved in a package to Oakland that sent Dan Haren to Arizona. It was essentially a three way trade of Chris Carter to Oakland, a bunch of other pieces to Oakland, Carlos Quentin to the White Sox, and Dan Haren to Arizona. In 2013-14, the White Sox traded Hector Santiago to LAA, but you could essentially argue that they traded Hector Santiago to Arizona for Adam Eaton. Santiago and Skaggs were traded to LAA for Mark Trumbo and a couple of prospects. In both cases, they bought low on otherwise highly rated Arizona outfield prospects. I think they believe that Arizona is good at developing outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) Wasn't a good part of Brian Anderson's benching a result of frequently overthrowing the cut-off man and throwing to the wrong base? I seem to remember him doing that a lot & actually that was my first thought watching him make that throw to first. That play could easily go very wrong and end in a few dadgummits. Brian Anderson was benched in the 2nd game of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:48 PM) I don't know what people are smoking. Eaton has an incredibly high ceiling, and the only reason he's getting dealt is because of his injury-riddled 2013. This is going to wind up being a steal - like Carlos Quentin 2.0 in terms of "holy s*** why'd they do this?" Hopefully he has more staying power, though. Its Soxtalk, where we want to make a deal and then have immediate buyer's remorse because our players are so much better than what we got back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) I don't know what people are smoking. Eaton has an incredibly high ceiling, and the only reason he's getting dealt is because of his injury-riddled 2013. This is going to wind up being a steal - like Carlos Quentin 2.0 in terms of "holy s*** why'd they do this?" Hopefully he has more staying power, though. I really liked Santiago but this deal makes a whole lot of sense for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I haven't read the whole thread but besides B>W have people really been that pissy about this? For me this is the ultimate wait and see, I could see it from both gm's perspectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:46 PM) So either the Sox are trading a potential #2 starter for a 4th outfielder or the Sox gave up a #4/#5 starter for a starting CF with some pop Guess we just have to trust Hahn that option B comes to fruition. Santiago could never be a #2. I am sorry, he's a great competitor on the mound and does well for his tools but he's not a frontline starter. He's a solid rotation member who will eat innings. I think Paulino, if healthy, can duplicate what Santiago could do. We got tremendous value for Santiago if Eaton comes back healthy and comes close to doing what he's done consistently in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) Its Soxtalk, where we want to make a deal and then have immediate buyer's remorse because our players are so much better than what we got back. I got no remorse I like the deal for the Sox. Santiago was traded at the right time. Edited December 10, 2013 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Finally a "natural" centerfielder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) I got no remorse I like the deal for the Sox. Santiago was traded at the right time. It will depend on the prospect we give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:52 PM) Santiago could never be a #2. I am sorry, he's a great competitor on the mound and does well for his tools but he's not a frontline starter. He's a solid rotation member who will eat innings. I think Paulino, if healthy, can duplicate what Santiago could do. We got tremendous value for Santiago if Eaton comes back healthy and comes close to doing what he's done consistently in the minors. Seems premature to say that, as he could easily classify as a #2 if he makes the same leap Quintana did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 MLBTR: In 380 career MLB plate apparances, Eaton is a .254/.332/.373 hitter with five homers and seven stolen bases. He's batted .365/.441/.522 with eight homers and 38 steals in 602 career appearances at the Triple-A level. Prior to the 2013 season, Baseball America ranked Eaton as Arizona's No. 4 prospect, noting that he'd made enough defensive strides to convince scouts that he is an everyday big league center fielder with double-digit home run pop, plus speed and a strong, accurate throwing arm. Should he pan out, Eaton could provide the White Sox with their center fielder of the future; he's controllable through the 2018 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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