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[lasttriptotulsa]

None. But money can be spent other ways. By, say, trading for a guy who has a few years left on a higher contract. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone, including Rick Hahn, knows that there are no free agents waiting to be signed in July. He's talking about spending money by trading and committing to contracts that they're not in a position to right now.

 

Yep. That's Marty's MO all right. Biggest troll on this board.

[southsider2k5]

Major rebuilds only last a year?

 

I'd call it a transitional year. Signing Abreu and adding a legit leadoff hitter(plenty of time to add more pieces) could have been their definition of not punting.

 

When done right.

[southsider2k5]

How many quality free agents are available in July?

 

How many are available now?

[elrockinMT]

So this is a punt and a major rebuild

 

 

But Marty they said we would compete in 2014. Remember? I think we have the potential to be a force next season though

Edited December 12, 2013 by elrockinMT

[The Ultimate Champion]

Marty pushing to trade Sale & still picking on the Sox for not spending money. He knows what he's doing. He knows what happens if Sale is gone for a bunch of busts & Choo is signed to a 15-year $340B contract. Usually when you're walking on clouds it's because you're happy; with Marty it's because the sky can't fall any farther.

[Dick Allen]

Any White Sox talk about their finances should be ignored. We have heard for years you can't spend a dollar if all you have is 50 cents. Every dime that comes in goes out.They were always at or even stretched the limit of their payroll. Yet they "found" money for Peavy and Rios and Manny and Edwin Jackson.

 

The bottom line is there is money available. They will spend it on what they think will help them win. They aren't going to let agents and other teams know exactly what they could max out at. At least Hahn says stuff like money will be there instead of KW's 50 cents vs. $1 deal.

[witesoxfan]

How many quality free agents are available in July?

 

They traded Clayton Richard, Adam Russell, Dexter Carter, and Aaron Poreda for Jake Peavy and his remaining contract. Richard was a mid to back of the rotation starter for a couple years and then he blew out his labrum. Russell has been a AAAA reliever his entire career. Carter was released by the Padres, picked up by the White Sox, and then released by the White Sox. Poreda was out of baseball last year and was just recently signed to a minor league deal by the Rangers.

 

Talent wise, Peavy should have commanded much more, but because the Sox were willing to assume a very large remaining contract, even if over the short-term, they were able to pick up an extremely talented pitcher (who was also on the mend) for 4 marginal pitchers.

 

That's where money can be spent.

[Marty34]

Marty pushing to trade Sale & still picking on the Sox for not spending money. He knows what he's doing. He knows what happens if Sale is gone for a bunch of busts & Choo is signed to a 15-year $340B contract. Usually when you're walking on clouds it's because you're happy; with Marty it's because the sky can't fall any farther.

 

You think this team will contend next year? I don't.

[Marty34]

They traded Clayton Richard, Adam Russell, Dexter Carter, and Aaron Poreda for Jake Peavy and his remaining contract. Richard was a mid to back of the rotation starter for a couple years and then he blew out his labrum. Russell has been a AAAA reliever his entire career. Carter was released by the Padres, picked up by the White Sox, and then released by the White Sox. Poreda was out of baseball last year and was just recently signed to a minor league deal by the Rangers.

 

Talent wise, Peavy should have commanded much more, but because the Sox were willing to assume a very large remaining contract, even if over the short-term, they were able to pick up an extremely talented pitcher (who was also on the mend) for 4 marginal pitchers.

 

That's where money can be spent.

 

Money + players. Sox don't have the prospects to trade.

[The Ultimate Champion]

You think this team will contend next year? I don't.

No, not right now.

 

But if for some reason they do - and they at least have the SP - it's nice to know that the Sox would at least consider upgrading the club mid-season vs. waiting until December.

 

We were terrible last year. You should be happy. We're probably not going to be good again for another year anyway so why not shift your focus to all the s***ty players we *do* have and save the money argument for when we're better and need to add to our core? Call JR a cheap ass when it actually makes some sense for him to spend extra $$$.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Money + players. Sox don't have the prospects to trade.

Wite just laid it out for you dude. Sox acquired Peavy for a glorified relief prospect, a #5 SP prospect, an A-ball pitcher, and a warm body MR prospect. The worst system in baseball always has that much "talent" plus considerably more. Any team in baseball could have made that deal. We got Peavy due to his full NTC and the fact that he was hurt, and the Padres were desperate to dump his deal while they were in the process of selling the team.

[harfman77]

Money + players. Sox don't have the prospects to trade.

 

They have a ton of prospects of the ilk they gave up in the Peavy deal. Thats why you leave some wiggle room so you can grab a valuable player without having to give up as much in prospects. Much like a team sould not have to give up much in prospects if they want to grab Dunn and take his salary, but if they are not taking it on, they will have to give something pretty valuable up.

[witesoxfan]

Money + players. Sox don't have the prospects to trade.

 

I'm sure they'd have no problem dealing the 2014 versions of Brent Lillibridge, Zach Stewart, Pedro Hernandez, Eduardo Escobar, Blair Walters, and Matt Heidenreich again. The only one of those guys who would have some sort of equivalent in the system that I'd even think twice about dealing at this point is Eduardo Escobar.

[fathom]

Seriously though, I want to hear from people what would kind of moves would put the sox in contention for 2014. I hear people complaining and such but I would rather have examples than just BMWs (b****ers, Whiners, Moaners)

 

Hahn is doing a very solid job with the rebuild that was necessary. With that said, it doesn't mean the Sox will be competitive in 2014. Rarely do you see teams competitive when they are in a full rebuild process. I'm excited to see what the young foundation can do next year, and hopefully we get some guys that prove they can be penciled into the starting lineup for years to come.

[Quin]

They traded Clayton Richard, Adam Russell, Dexter Carter, and Aaron Poreda for Jake Peavy and his remaining contract. Richard was a mid to back of the rotation starter for a couple years and then he blew out his labrum. Russell has been a AAAA reliever his entire career. Carter was released by the Padres, picked up by the White Sox, and then released by the White Sox. Poreda was out of baseball last year and was just recently signed to a minor league deal by the Rangers.

 

Talent wise, Peavy should have commanded much more, but because the Sox were willing to assume a very large remaining contract, even if over the short-term, they were able to pick up an extremely talented pitcher (who was also on the mend) for 4 marginal pitchers.

 

That's where money can be spent.

 

That would be like Rienzo, Veal, Leesman, and Snodgress.

[southsider2k5]

Hahn is doing a very solid job with the rebuild that was necessary. With that said, it doesn't mean the Sox will be competitive in 2014. Rarely do you see teams competitive when they are in a full rebuild process. I'm excited to see what the young foundation can do next year, and hopefully we get some guys that prove they can be penciled into the starting lineup for years to come.

 

The White Sox did in six months what the Cubs still haven't done in three years. He is doing a f***ing incredible job of rebuild.

[Marty34]

Tanaka is a guy who puts this team in contention next year and in the future, imo. They should at least be in the bidding for him (but they won't be.)

[Marty34]

The White Sox did in six months what the Cubs still haven't done in three years. He is doing a f***ing incredible job of rebuild.

 

What?

[brian310]

Tanaka is a guy who puts this team in contention next year and in the future, imo. They should at least be in the bidding for him (but they won't be.)

 

I'd LOVE this off-season (not that I already don't like the previous moves.)! But rolling out a rotation of: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, Danks would be great on opening day.

[BaseballNick]

The White Sox did in six months what the Cubs still haven't done in three years. He is doing a f***ing incredible job of rebuild.

 

What is it the Sox have done that the Cubs haven't? I think Rick is doing a fine job and all, but I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with anything. They're going about their rebuild differently, and in my opinion, it's going pretty well.

[ILMOU]

The Winter Meetings are over, but the offseason isn't. 25 man roster not exactly set in stone at this point.

 

[fathom]

What is it the Sox have done that the Cubs haven't? I think Rick is doing a fine job and all, but I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with anything. They're going about their rebuild differently, and in my opinion, it's going pretty well.

 

Yep, it's actually shocking how patient the Cubs front office has been. Everyone assumed they'd be in the hunt for David Price and Ellsbury, but it seems like they're holding out another year. Hopefully they don't get Tanaka.

[Marty34]

I'd LOVE this off-season (not that I already don't like the previous moves.)! But rolling out a rotation of: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, Danks would be great on opening day.

 

A Tanaka signing if he is as advertised could set this team in great position for the longterm.

 

2014: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, Danks, draft Hoffman or Kolek

2015: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, trade Danks after he rebounds from surgery

2016: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson,

2017: Sale, Tanaka, Johnson, Kolek/Hoffman, trade Quintana

2018 Sale, Kolek/Hoffman, Tanaka, Johnson.

 

Not bad.

[Chicago White Sox]

What is it the Sox have done that the Cubs haven't? I think Rick is doing a fine job and all, but I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with anything. They're going about their rebuild differently, and in my opinion, it's going pretty well.

I would disagree, they really don't have much on the major league roster and the young core they do have either regressed or stagnated last year. I agree they have quite a few interesting prospects, but people seem to assume they'll all pan out. I think they're still years from competing if everything goes right, which is incredibly pathetic for a big market club.

[fathom]

A Tanaka signing if he is as advertised could set this team in great position for the longterm.

 

2014: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, Danks, draft Hoffman or Kolek

2015: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson, trade Danks after he rebounds from surgery

2016: Sale, Tanaka, Quintana, Johnson,

2017: Sale, Tanaka, Johnson, Kolek/Hoffman, trade Quintana

2018 Sale, Kolek/Hoffman, Tanaka, Johnson.

 

Not bad.

 

It would be stunning if the Sox outbid the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, Cubs, etc. for Tanaka. This is a much different situation than with Abreu, where a lot, if not all, of the big market teams didn't need a 1B.