bmags Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 10:02 PM) We'd be in that place with Connor around as well. he isn't a long term solution. He is a temporary fix. Indeed. I'm not criticizing the deal, I think this is a fantastic deal for sox and a move we have to make. I was only responding to the "What the hell was Kevin Towers thinking!?" posts. But this deal will be much less impressive if he ends up having to move to DH, LF or 1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:12 PM) I would say that is an indication that the top of the White Sox system has improved dramatically over the last 12 months. Eaton and Avi aren't eligible, right? So Abreu, EJ, Semien and Davidson I assume is how they have it. Ya, not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Eaton and Avi aren't eligible, right? So Abreu, EJ, Semien and Davidson I assume is how they have it. Ya, not bad. I'd bet it is Abreu, Johnson, Hawkins, Davidson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) I don't see Rienzo in the rotation. Sale Quintana Johnson Danks Paulino Jones Lindstrom Belisario Webb Petricka Veal Leesman Rienzo to AAA, will be the first call up in case a starter is needed. I think Paulino was acquired exclusively to be a starter. Ideally, we need a long reliever, and it would seem that Rienzo might fit that profile, or we go out and buy someone. We also need a veteran LH reliever, not Veal AND Leesman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:14 PM) Eaton and Avi aren't eligible, right? So Abreu, EJ, Semien and Davidson I assume is how they have it. Ya, not bad. Borth Eaton and Avi have 2 seasons before they are arb eligible, 2016 is their first Arb eligible season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) All signs point to Hahn having no interest in long rebuilds. All trades he's made so far, he's only targeting 1 player who's close to ML ready, and not any low A players which would reduce the total amount of talent he can net in the return. I like that about him. If his plan fails, at least I can see his thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Anyone think that Gillaspie could be moved next? Keppinger could just fill in at third until Davidson got promoted. I know Miami has been desperately looking for someone and Gillaspie has shown he can be decent and hes a left-handed bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:16 PM) Borth Eaton and Avi have 2 seasons before they are arb eligible, 2016 is their first Arb eligible season. Top prospect list, not arb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Anyone think that Gillaspie could be moved next? Keppinger could just fill in at third until Davidson got promoted. I know Miami has been desperately looking for someone and Gillaspie has shown he can be decent and hes a left-handed bat. It's difficult to see any situation where Davidson isn't the starting 3b out of ST other than injury. I think it's very obvious Gillaspie will be moved. They may hold onto him through ST hoping they can find a buyer if he has a good spring, but they're not going to block Davidson with him unless someone gets hurt, and there's zero space for Gillaspie on this roster. I'd say there's a real good chance Gillaspie is moved and Keppinger is uncerimoniously dumped somewhere as well. Neither of them fit on this roster that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Top prospect list, not arb. D'Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) I'd bet it is Abreu, Johnson, Hawkins, Davidson. You're probably right as far as what they have. How someone could have Hawkins higher than Davidson or Semien I'm not so sure but this isn't the right place to discuss that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So it looks like one of De Aza and Viciedo are likely to go and then Gillaspie and Keppinger? With L. Garcia or Elmore being the backup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) So it looks like one of De Aza and Viciedo are likely to go and then Gillaspie and Keppinger? With L. Garcia or Elmore being the backup? There was also a "They're still trying to move Dunn, De Aza" blurb early in this thread. Levine I think. I'd guess 3 of De Aza, Dunn, Gillaspie, and Keppinger aren't with this team opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) You're probably right as far as what they have. How someone could have Hawkins higher than Davidson or Semien I'm not so sure but this isn't the right place to discuss that. It is all about the ceiling. Hawkins still hit with power. I read some scouting report that if he could learn to shorten his swing and use all fields the scout swears he will be a star. That is easier said than done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I hope it would be Dunn honestly. I like the idea of Viciedo DHing and De Aza playing left and being flipped in June/July to a team that needs a left or center fielder. Edit: Paulie and De Aza would platoon in this situation I guess? De Aza against righties in left with Viciedo Dhing and Viciedo in left with Paulie DHing against lefties? Edited December 16, 2013 by chisoxfan310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Indeed. I'm not criticizing the deal, I think this is a fantastic deal for sox and a move we have to make. I was only responding to the "What the hell was Kevin Towers thinking!?" posts. But this deal will be much less impressive if he ends up having to move to DH, LF or 1b. Towers is in a win now/still cost conscious mode and when he got Trumbo he needed to move Davidson. Obviously he and Hahn had good discussions and in the end the trade goes; Reed, Santiago, Jacobs for Davidson and Eaton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) There was also a "They're still trying to move Dunn, De Aza" blurb early in this thread. Levine I think. I'd guess 3 of De Aza, Dunn, Gillaspie, and Keppinger aren't with this team opening day. What I hope is De Aza, Dunn and Keppinger is gone What I expect is De Aza, Gillaspie and Keppinger to be gone Either way, I'm excited to see what else Hahn has up his sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) I hope it would be Dunn honestly. I like the idea of Viciedo DHing and De Aza playing left and being flipped in June/July to a team that needs a left or center fielder. Edit: Paulie and De Aza would platoon in this situation I guess? De Aza against righties in left with Viciedo Dhing and Viciedo in left with Paulie DHing against lefties? I agree, still way to early to give up on Viciedo. With a good year, he can easily be part of the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) So it looks like one of De Aza and Viciedo are likely to go and then Gillaspie and Keppinger? With L. Garcia or Elmore being the backup? I'd guess De Aza, Gillaspie, and Keppinger are all gone at the very minimum. I think Dunn, Beckham, and Ramirez are probably being shopped at the moment too. If just the first 3 are moved (and depending on who is brought back), I think you see a bench of Nieto, Elmore, Danks, and Konerko. If you move Dunn, you could see another bat being added or perhaps Gillaspie remains on the team. If Beckham is moved, I see Semien making the roster. If Ramirez is moved, I see a competition between Garcia and Semien for the SS spot. I am legitimately excited for the team at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:24 PM) I agree, still way to early to give up on Viciedo. With a good year, he can easily be part of the core. The problem with Viciedo is we don't know what the coaching staff says about him behind the scenes. They could think he just had a bad year and the injuries made it worse...or they could be calling him "uncoachable". If the staff doesn't think they can salvage him, this staff will still be here this year, so it would make more sense to get whatever you can for him now and let someone else take a shot at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think Hahn will be thrilled with 3 out of Abreu, Garcia, Eaton and Davidson working out. But I am sure he is praying Abreu is one of the three. It is worth a shot. If they all work out, you have a new core on the fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) John Manuel @johnmanuelba 1h Did our #WhiteSox top 30; newly acquired Matt Davidson would slot in No. 4, right where @BaseballAmerica had him in #Diamondbacks system Who would be #1-#3? Abreu Johnson Semien? I am guessing Eaton and Avi are no longer considered "prospects".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:25 PM) I am legitimately excited for the team at this point. I think everyone is. Hahn has done an amazing job in a short amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I wonder what this means for the Charlotte squad? Start Semien at SS and Sanchez at 2B? I see Semien stepping in for Beckham before Sanchez is ready but I would hate to see either hinder each others playing time. This offseason has me very excited, all these acquisitions and a 3rd overall pick. Lineup is looking something like: Eaton Beckham/Semien Abreu Dunn Garcia Davidson Viciedo Ramirez Phegley/Flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I see the backup catching spot being between Nieto Flowers or Phegley. I have a feeling they will definitely add a legit high upside starter. I predict Flowers to be traded towards the end of Spring Training and Phegley sent to AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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