Jake Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Could just be a case of finding out if his price is really that high. You also never know how far a good impression can go. Maybe we can have Shingo and Iguchi stop by. Maybe we want to enter a bidding war, too. I'd be surprised, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 05:00 PM) Could just be a case of finding out if his price is really that high. You also never know how far a good impression can go. Maybe we can have Shingo and Iguchi stop by. Maybe we want to enter a bidding war, too. I'd be surprised, though. I wouldnt be surprised at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Needless to say... Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 14m While it has been reported White Sox are meeting with Tanaka this week, they wouldn't be considered major players there at this point Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Needless to say... Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 14m While it has been reported White Sox are meeting with Tanaka this week, they wouldn't be considered major players there at this point Expand I mean, we can't just be meeting with him for the hell of it. Let's at least give the Yankees a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like it. JR using the savings from Deng. /sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Obviously the Sox have interest. Might as well see if it is mutual. Who knows, maybe he is a big Shingo and Iguchi fan and had a White Sox cap as a teenager. It really would be kicking Theo in the balls signing him. Edited January 8, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Cubs not signing him would be hilarious....basically the only thing those fans had going for them these last few months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Dam near every team is going to meet with Tanaka not really news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Sox will meet with Tanaka just to personally tell him his NPB stats aren't impressive because the league over there sucks balls. My sources tell me there's "zero chance" they let Tanaka or his agent use their Keurig & if anyone wants coffee they're going to have to go downstairs to the break room and get it like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 09:16 PM) Sox will meet with Tanaka just to personally tell him his NPB stats aren't impressive because the league over there sucks balls. My sources tell me there's "zero chance" they let Tanaka or his agent use their Keurig & if anyone wants coffee they're going to have to go downstairs to the break room and get it like everyone else. This was totally constructive and obviously what the Sox plan to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'd guess this is the Sox kicking the tires since Tanaka will be in town to meet the cubs anyway. I can't see the Sox offering up what Tanaka is expected to get. As for the cubs, wishful thinking. The whole " we won't be outbid" is bs by the cubs front office because they've done nothing this off season and cub fans are not happy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 ONe of the more interesting things to get out tonight is that the signing fee isn't all paid up front. It would be $13m this year, and $7 the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Curious as to what the board thinks. If Tanaka can be had for say 18m per year or less for 5/6 years would you do it? And what do you think the chances would be in Tanaka having genuine interest in signing with the Sox? After a bit of thinking the Sox could come out of nowhere on Tanaka and so can Tanaka's interest in the Sox. Tanaka is going to get good offers from plenty of teams. I think it might come down to two things from Tanaka's perspective. 1- is the team a contender or at least close? 2- how good are the other teams in the division? If the Sox thought Tanaka's asking price was within budget the chances might be better than speculated. Yes the Yanks will offer plenty but they are in a tougher division than the sox which could raise Tanaka's interest level in the Sox. I admit I'm just guessing here but am curious what others think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 01:31 AM) Curious as to what the board thinks. If Tanaka can be had for say 18m per year or less for 5/6 years would you do it? And what do you think the chances would be in Tanaka having genuine interest in signing with the Sox? After a bit of thinking the Sox could come out of nowhere on Tanaka and so can Tanaka's interest in the Sox. Tanaka is going to get good offers from plenty of teams. I think it might come down to two things from Tanaka's perspective. 1- is the team a contender or at least close? 2- how good are the other teams in the division? If the Sox thought Tanaka's asking price was within budget the chances might be better than speculated. Yes the Yanks will offer plenty but they are in a tougher division than the sox which could raise Tanaka's interest level in the Sox. I admit I'm just guessing here but am curious what others think. My suspicion is that Tanaka will go to the highest bidder, or at least a bidder within 1 or 2 million dollars of the highest who also has a good chance of winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I'd offer a contract like this: 2014: 17M 2015: 18M 2016: 19M 2017: 20M; after the season the player has ability to opt out of remainder of contract; team also has $6M buyout to get out from remainder of deal 2018: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side 2019: 20M - another mutual option with a $5M team buyout 2020: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side A deal like that would give Tanaka $80M guaranteed over 4 years, or $74M for 4 years plus a shot at hitting FA before 30. Further there are options for the Sox to get out of the deal should things go bad later, but should they stick in the deal the Sox guarantee Tanaka more money. Something that would provide flexibility for both sides I would do. However I think he's getting everything guaranteed. *Edit: deferring some of the early money in 2014 & 2015 to a later point in the deal could be nice too as it could offset the posting fee some. Edited January 8, 2014 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 BTW the whole point of the above deal I proposed is that the Sox would be able to trade him if they felt he was an opt-out candidate. If not, and he turned into Adam Dunn 2.0, at least they'd be able to get out of the deal in 4 years. And anywhere in between s*** and excellence he's probably a 2-4 starter, meaning you're not overpaying him all that much if at all during the 4 years you definitely have him. I wouldn't guarantee seven years though, that's just nuts, but I think that's what happens. IMO the Dodgers will get him, because why not? If they do I wonder if Kenny ahem I mean Rick gets Kemp in here somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 10:47 PM) I'd offer a contract like this: 2014: 17M 2015: 18M 2016: 19M 2017: 20M; after the season the player has ability to opt out of remainder of contract; team also has $6M buyout to get out from remainder of deal 2018: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side 2019: 20M - another mutual option with a $5M team buyout 2020: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side A deal like that would give Tanaka $80M guaranteed over 4 years, or $74M for 4 years plus a shot at hitting FA before 30. Further there are options for the Sox to get out of the deal should things go bad later, but should they stick in the deal the Sox guarantee Tanaka more money. Something that would provide flexibility for both sides I would do. However I think he's getting everything guaranteed. *Edit: deferring some of the early money in 2014 & 2015 to a later point in the deal could be nice too as it could offset the posting fee some. I agree that he will likely get guaranteed money but your ideas do give some incite into some possible offers Tanaka may get rather than the say, 18M per 5/6 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) Real shocker here/sarcasm. 28 other teams will probably meet with him too. I honestly doubt he will even meet with 10 teams. I think he wants to play in a major market, so why sign with a team like Cleveland? QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Needless to say... Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 14m While it has been reported White Sox are meeting with Tanaka this week, they wouldn't be considered major players there at this point Expand This does not surprise me. QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 09:16 PM) Sox will meet with Tanaka just to personally tell him his NPB stats aren't impressive because the league over there sucks balls. My sources tell me there's "zero chance" they let Tanaka or his agent use their Keurig & if anyone wants coffee they're going to have to go downstairs to the break room and get it like everyone else. Please cite Tanaka's ground ball percentage in Japan. If you have nothing, than I will mention that his K/9 over the last 3 years has been 8.7, his BB/9 has been 1.15, and a HR/9 of 0.26. If you can provide that ground ball percentage and something other than your tinfoil hat theory of "THE NPB SUCKS I SAID SO," I will be much more willing to subscribe to your newsletter. In the meantime, get off this schtick. No one's buying it except you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Solid move by both sides. I still don't see the Sox coming close to signing him, but with the new posting rules Japanese players may hit the radar more for the Sox so likely his people will represent some in the future. For Tanaka and his people it adds another big market name to the "rumors" which can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Not sure who his agent is, but I'm guessing it's someone who is going to be working with a lot of Japanese clients in the future. Right now, the Sox are selling to him as much as they are Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Sox should do something like 6y/$120M, The first 3y are at $25M per with an option for him to play out the remainder of his deal at $15M per or go to arbitration after year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 08:28 AM) Please cite Tanaka's ground ball percentage in Japan. If you have nothing, than I will mention that his K/9 over the last 3 years has been 8.7, his BB/9 has been 1.15, and a HR/9 of 0.26. If you can provide that ground ball percentage and something other than your tinfoil hat theory of "THE NPB SUCKS I SAID SO," I will be much more willing to subscribe to your newsletter. In the meantime, get off this schtick. No one's buying it except you. If he shouts it out enough, I expect he believes people will get on his bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 10:47 PM) I'd offer a contract like this: 2014: 17M 2015: 18M 2016: 19M 2017: 20M; after the season the player has ability to opt out of remainder of contract; team also has $6M buyout to get out from remainder of deal 2018: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side 2019: 20M - another mutual option with a $5M team buyout 2020: 20M - guaranteed year if no opt-out by either side A deal like that would give Tanaka $80M guaranteed over 4 years, or $74M for 4 years plus a shot at hitting FA before 30. Further there are options for the Sox to get out of the deal should things go bad later, but should they stick in the deal the Sox guarantee Tanaka more money. Something that would provide flexibility for both sides I would do. However I think he's getting everything guaranteed. *Edit: deferring some of the early money in 2014 & 2015 to a later point in the deal could be nice too as it could offset the posting fee some. TUC why would you want an inferior NPB scrub like Tanaka? Go get a real American pitcher like Dylan Axelrod. Edited January 8, 2014 by pettie4sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2014 -> 09:42 PM) ONe of the more interesting things to get out tonight is that the signing fee isn't all paid up front. It would be $13m this year, and $7 the next. Maybe that moves us to .0001% chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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