rowand's rowdies Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 With the way Rick Hahn has been making trades, I've been able to take a look at all possible available catchers in baseball and say to myself, wow, I think Rick could make it happen. Nice to feel this way. Anyway, who's your 1 target and what are you going to give up to get him? Mine's Jonathan Lucroy, MIL C Signed through 2016, Club Option for 2017, $5 million/season at its most expensive. Big power, not over the hill. Don't know much about his defense or pitch calling honestly. Trade Bait: Dunn (Power 1B for one season, reasonable $, Sox could cover some) John Danks Beckham Alexi Quintana C Hawkins Mitchell Rienzo Not sure what it might take, but it will take a lot, but I would pay a lot for Lucroy. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 08:57 PM) With the way Rick Hahn has been making trades, I've been able to take a look at all possible available catchers in baseball and say to myself, wow, I think Rick could make it happen. Nice to feel this way. Anyway, who's your 1 target and what are you going to give up to get him? Mine's Jonathan Lucroy, MIL C Signed through 2016, Club Option for 2017, $5 million/season at its most expensive. Big power, not over the hill. Don't know much about his defense or pitch calling honestly. Trade Bait: Dunn (Power 1B for one season, reasonable $, Sox could cover some) John Danks Beckham Alexi Quintana C Hawkins Mitchell Rienzo Not sure what it might take, but it will take a lot, but I would pay a lot for Lucroy. Thoughts? Trading Hawkins at this point would be crazy. They need to give him at least another 1 1/2 years...because he was looking to be on course to be a future superstar one year ago at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulstar Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I'd trade Hawkins 10 out of 10 times if the Sox got back Lucroy. Easily one of the most underrated players in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I also like Lucroy, but I imagine the Brewers would be asking a king's ransom for him. I'm definitely not ready to give up Hawkins yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 In this order... Castro Lucroy Rosario Jaso Grandal Lobaton Depending on what they'd give I'd be happy with any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I don't see why Brewers would trade Lucroy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Frankly, unless something becomes available at a relatively decent price, and given the circumstances of the current team, I have no problem going to Spring Training with Flowers, Phegley, Nieto, and Gimenez battling it out for two spots. I ultimately believe Phegley and Nieto will win out. Gimenez is on a minor league deal, so no big deal. Flowers has to clear waivers but, as I understand, cannot refuse an assignment to the minors due to his lack of service time. He will murder AAA pitching for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Castro and Lucroy could only be acquired if we gave up Q imo, as I assume each team would look for ML ready, cost controlled talent, which is not worth it . Would turn our rotation into a weakness. Jaso would be easier to acquire, but the concussion stuff scares me. One blow to the head and he's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) Frankly, unless something becomes available at a relatively decent price, and given the circumstances of the current team, I have no problem going to Spring Training with Flowers, Phegley, Nieto, and Gimenez battling it out for two spots. I ultimately believe Phegley and Nieto will win out. Gimenez is on a minor league deal, so no big deal. Flowers has to clear waivers but, as I understand, cannot refuse an assignment to the minors due to his lack of service time. He will murder AAA pitching for a while. I'd rather have Josh starting but feel as if Flowers is better equipped to be a back up, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Officer Karkovice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFinn Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Long time peruser, first time poster: Does anybody know anything about Yenier Bello, the Cuban catcher? He held a workout for scouts in Mexico in the beginning of November. I haven't heard how he performed (or what scouts thought of how he performed). His case was submitted to immigration about the same time. It has been about six weeks. Is he going to be available as a free agent soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Hank Conger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I actually don't see Hahn making any moves at catcher until next offseason. I don't think he wants to trade assets before he gives Phegley and even Nieto a fair shake at things, and I don't have a problem with that. Hahn addressed CF, 3B, RF, and 1B since July. Hard to be upset with that kind of improvement. If he wants to wait until 2015 to officially rule out any of the 3 guys we have, that's fine by me. This team isn't going to the playoffs next year, so there is no reason to force the issue if something doesn't present itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Brewers are not in win now mode, only way obtain Lucroy is by giving up young talent. Personally, I am down with giving Phegley a year to prove he doesn't suck. If he still does, no harm, back to the drawing board next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Unless the Sox grab a guy like Lobaton or Jaso to platoon with Flowers/Phegley, I imagine seeing Flowers or Phegley on the roster with Nieto. I think going after anyone who could be the primary starter would cost too much in the way of young talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Which would you guys want more from a catcher position defense or offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) Which would you guys want more from a catcher position defense or offense? Either. Someone effective at either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Probably a reach but Hector Sanchez seems like an interesting name.... http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...&position=C Just turned 24 and he's a switch hitter. Has handled the bat pretty decently in his career for a catcher....apparently a little on the heavy side though so can't speak of his D. Never actually seen him play, just doing some digging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) In this order... Castro Lucroy Rosario Jaso Grandal Lobaton Depending on what they'd give I'd be happy with any of them. Agreed, except for Lobaton. He's never put up anything decent numberswise, and was probably used ideally by Maddon, ala Kepp. Lobaton gives us 3 backup catchers instead of 2. Thrillsville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Is Kyle Skipworth really bad? He was just DFA'd by the Marlins. Was the #6 overall pick a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 I want a catcher for the future, not just for this year. I think Lucroy is the best fit. Great contract, great power and avg, good for the next 3-5 years. What if we give them: Dunn (pay half his salary so $7 million sent) Carlos Sanchez 3B Prospect (Depth now with Davidson) Trayce Thompson OF Prospect (Depth now with Eaton) Tyler Flowers (replacement catcher) Jeff Keppinger (pay half his salary for next 2 years so $4 million sent) All for Lucroy. We eat some money but save some money, have a top 8 player at an important position, and clear some at bats for young developing players in the big leagues as well as upper minors. Could Milwaukee say no to this deal? They have nothing going on and this gives them a lot for now and later, as well as some trade chips in Dunn and Keppinger who could get them more prospects. They need a total rebuild there in Brewtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Grandal. He feels like a similar situation to Eaton buy low in that he was injured and someone else is going to occupy that spot for the Padres soon. Throw in Biogenesis and he could be the perfect buy low candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) I want a catcher for the future, not just for this year. I think Lucroy is the best fit. Great contract, great power and avg, good for the next 3-5 years. What if we give them: Dunn (pay half his salary so $7 million sent) Carlos Sanchez 3B Prospect (Depth now with Davidson) Trayce Thompson OF Prospect (Depth now with Eaton) Tyler Flowers (replacement catcher) Jeff Keppinger (pay half his salary for next 2 years so $4 million sent) All for Lucroy. We eat some money but save some money, have a top 8 player at an important position, and clear some at bats for young developing players in the big leagues as well as upper minors. Could Milwaukee say no to this deal? They have nothing going on and this gives them a lot for now and later, as well as some trade chips in Dunn and Keppinger who could get them more prospects. They need a total rebuild there in Brewtown. It's an interesting idea, although I don't think they'd want all that junk. Perhaps we could bring a third team in - one that needs De Aza - and throw a legit prospect the Brewers way for him. De Aza is the only tradeable vet we have with any value. Still, I'd rather us still stockpile young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) I want a catcher for the future, not just for this year. I think Lucroy is the best fit. Great contract, great power and avg, good for the next 3-5 years. What if we give them: Dunn (pay half his salary so $7 million sent) Carlos Sanchez 3B Prospect (Depth now with Davidson) Trayce Thompson OF Prospect (Depth now with Eaton) Tyler Flowers (replacement catcher) Jeff Keppinger (pay half his salary for next 2 years so $4 million sent) All for Lucroy. We eat some money but save some money, have a top 8 player at an important position, and clear some at bats for young developing players in the big leagues as well as upper minors. Could Milwaukee say no to this deal? They have nothing going on and this gives them a lot for now and later, as well as some trade chips in Dunn and Keppinger who could get them more prospects. They need a total rebuild there in Brewtown. That gives Milwaukee very little to nothing. If Dunn & Kepp could get prospects, they probably would have been traded already by the Sox. Flowers appears to suck and the other two Sox prospects aren't exactly top on anyone's lists. Lucroy is signed for $17 million over the next 4 seasons. The Brewers should be asking for a king's ransom for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Lucroy, Castro, Grandal - we do not have the pieces to put a deal together for any of those catchers, and it is very hard to believe that those teams would be interested in trading that type of valuable player. Realistically we are going to have to settle for a backup - preferably LH or switch - who has good defensive skills and can put the bat on the ball. I think someone like Hector Sanchez (blocked forever by Posey) fits that profile, though I am not sure what we have that would interest the Giants (Keppinger?). Am not fluent enough with other backups, but have to believe that is where Hahn is focused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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