Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Eating Adam Dunn's $$ and trading him for nothing is a mistake. Unless someone is going to pick up the entire salary they just roll with Dunn for this season. I would gamble on him having 20-25 homers by the trade deadline and at that point you can dump the back end of the contract and get a piece or 2. There is no reason for the Sox to eat $$ on the Dunn deal and get nothing of substance in return. He's not blocking anyone that is ready to play and giving PK his at bats would be really stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Hahn on the Score now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:23 AM) Look guys...we're not getting back anything useful for Dunn. If we chip in $10 million+ we might get back some no-name A-baller and that's going to require the Sox to chip in $10 million+. That's just how it's going to be. For crying out loud we signed an extra DH because we didn't feel Adam Dunn had that firm of a grasp on that position even. That's not why an "Extra DH" was signed. Konerko was signed because he the owner didn't let his baseball people do their jobs in this instance. JR said Konerko could come back and since he wanted to come back, he's back. It has nothing to do with Dunn or anyone else regardless of what the team or media says. Hahn had his arms tied behind his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:29 AM) I do not like Keppinger in that role for this team. We have the perfect guy for that in Garcia. While Keppinger can play multiple positions, he is not really good at any of them and is slow as dirt. I like my backup IF/OFers to be plus defenders and have speed. I agree overall with this concept. However, another quality that I think is the most important for the utility guy is being a veteran. They have a better chance to play and hit well with extended time off. I prefer inexperienced guys like Garcia to be in the minors in case someone gets a major injury then you call them up for extended playing time. with the way this roster is looking you have a young 3B and 1B who will need to work through slumps and learning at the MLB level. They should not get too much time off, barring injury. So the sub will not get much time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) Hahn on the Score now. Brief summary after please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:39 AM) Brief summary after please? I'll link the podcast later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:32 AM) That's not why an "Extra DH" was signed. Konerko was signed because he the owner didn't let his baseball people do their jobs in this instance. JR said Konerko could come back and since he wanted to come back, he's back. It has nothing to do with Dunn or anyone else regardless of what the team or media says. Hahn had his arms tied behind his back. i think I believe Hahn when he said he wanted PK back for his veteran leadership as well. This is looking to be a young roster. When the young players go through a prolonged slump, who will they look to on this roster who has gone through the same thing and has had prolonged success with it? I think PK is definitely here to be a "player-coach" for the promising young players and there will be alot of them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:32 AM) That's not why an "Extra DH" was signed. Konerko was signed because he the owner didn't let his baseball people do their jobs in this instance. JR said Konerko could come back and since he wanted to come back, he's back. It has nothing to do with Dunn or anyone else regardless of what the team or media says. Hahn had his arms tied behind his back. I agree. The Konerko signing had nothing to do with Dunn. It was merely a sentimental signing with the thought that he can help mentor the young players. There is zero chance that we would have had a "Extra DH" if his last name wasn't Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:39 AM) Brief summary after please? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Hahn summary: - He likes Eaton's energy - Trade talks started with Chris Sale (asked by DBacks) - Hahn doesn't believe in untouchable, but does believe in "very difficult to acquire", which Sale is. - Kenny wanted to do this type of stuff for a while, but was often in a position to compete, which took precedence. - They are currently below projected budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 11:28 PM) Did he say anything that we all already don't know? Its like he reads Soxtalk..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:09 AM) If the Sox believe that Viciedo is going to be a middle of the order bat, then they need to eventually move him to 1B/DH and get a left-handed power bat for LF. Unless the Sox are planning on signing Choo or manage to get such a bat in a trade, there is no reason to dump Dunn for nothing instead of waiting until 2015 to move Viciedo to 1B/DH. As many people have noted, as exciting as it is to get guys like Abreu, Garcia, Davidson, and Eaton, a lot of good prospects bust and the Sox need to get more young talent whenever possible, and the best way to turn Dunn into young talent is to deal him midseason, when he is hopefully hitting well and has less salary remaining. If Carlos Lee can play the OF, so can Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:23 AM) Look guys...we're not getting back anything useful for Dunn. If we chip in $10 million+ we might get back some no-name A-baller and that's going to require the Sox to chip in $10 million+. That's just how it's going to be. For crying out loud we signed an extra DH because we didn't feel Adam Dunn had that firm of a grasp on that position even. Oh c'mon now, re-signing PK had nothing to do with Adam Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) - They are currently below projected budget Tanaka. Tanaka. Tanaka. Oh please Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) Oh c'mon now, re-signing PK had nothing to do with Adam Dunn. So all the people who said "come on, Paulie has a role, look he'll be the platoon DH with Dunn since Dunn is so bad against lefties it makes sense" weren't telling the truth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) So all the people who said "come on, Paulie has a role, look he'll be the platoon DH with Dunn since Dunn is so bad against lefties it makes sense" weren't telling the truth? He has a role but if he wasn't Paul Konerko he wouldn't have been re-signed, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) He has a role but if he wasn't Paul Konerko he wouldn't have been re-signed, period. They were surprised he took that much of a pay cut to play one more year. And we all should enjoy it, this is Paulie's farewell tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) Hahn summary: - He likes Eaton's energy - Trade talks started with Chris Sale (asked by DBacks) - Hahn doesn't believe in untouchable, but does believe in "very difficult to acquire", which Sale is. - Kenny wanted to do this type of stuff for a while, but was often in a position to compete, which took precedence. - They are currently below projected budget I wonder by how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 09:30 AM) I wonder by how much? I bet they have a good amount of money to work with but Hahn isn't going to sign a guy just to sign someone, and especially if they don't fit into the 3-5 year plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 09:30 AM) I wonder by how much? Hopefully a Tanaka sized hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If they are below projected budget counting De Aza at over $4M (arbitration estimate) and Keppinger at over $4M, then - as I suggested in a different thread - they very well might have the dough to make a play for Tanaka - also, Dunn comes off the books next year. And I am tired of the doomsayers stating that we don't need Tanaka - of course, we do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) They were surprised he took that much of a pay cut to play one more year. And we all should enjoy it, this is Paulie's farewell tour. It's hard to enjoy if he keeps hitting the way he has. I don't want to remember him for the pop up followed by slamming the bat in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) Hopefully a Tanaka sized hole. Hopefully a Garza-sized hole IMO. MLBTR put something out there before about an exec who wouldn't be in the bidding saying Tanaka will get over $100M. $20M posting fee + $100M or more in salary, for a guy who has never pitched in MLB and supposedly is a significant step down from Darvish? No thanks. Hot name now, but that could be one bad deal in the future. Give me Garza please on a much better deal. Sale-Garza-Quintana-Johnson-Danks going into the season, and when Beck is ready you trade Danks or Garza for a haul. Please do that Sox, and also continue to acquire prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I listened to the Hahn interview this morning, and not once (if I recall) did he mention anything about trying to win the division this year. I was very impressed by this approach. As for Tanaka, no thanks...the cost is just going to be insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 18, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) I listened to the Hahn interview this morning, and not once (if I recall) did he mention anything about trying to win the division this year. I was very impressed by this approach. As for Tanaka, no thanks...the cost is just going to be insane. It will be insane but the price of pitching is insane. You can pay this guy $100 million and more than likely be ace/like or you can pay guys like Kazmir $10-11 million a year to most likely suck. This guy is only 25. Unless you just can't afford him, there is absolutely no reason to at least see if you can get him signed, especially when the Sox have Sale under contract for what they would have to pay Grant Balfour at his advanced age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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