ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Murphy would be highly expendable considering they have McCann and Romine and Sanchez in front of him. I could see a Murphy-Gillaspie swap. Or maybe Gillaspie + Molina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Beckham would basically have to be a utility guy for them, backing up Roberts, Jeter and Rodriguez during their inevitable time off. Actually with those guys he might get 600 PA just being backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:57 PM) It might take a guy like Nate Jones to grab Murphy, which I'd be fine with. Hell no, I'd never do that deal, not in a million years. Give them Veal for Murphy if you want to move a bullpen guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:03 PM) Murphy would be highly expendable considering they have McCann and Romine and Sanchez in front of him. I could see a Murphy-Gillaspie swap. Or maybe Gillaspie + Molina. I'd be down with this deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:04 PM) Hell no, I'd never do that deal, not in a million years. Give them Veal for Murphy if you want to move a bullpen guy. Lol, Murphy has more value than that. Come on now. You're not getting Murphy for a scrub, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:06 PM) Lol, Murphy has more value than that. Come on now. You're not getting Murphy for a scrub, simple as that. Tell me why we shouldn't? In what world does Murphy ever have a chance at making the Yankees roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I still think Beckham might be someone the Yanks would look at, as they were even rumored to be interested in Darwin Barney a few weeks ago. That would be cool, but since Beckham is well below league average, I don't see why the Yankees would be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The Sox would be foolish to value Jones any less than they did Reed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) Tell me why we shouldn't? In what world does Murphy ever have a chance at making the Yankees roster? So they should trade a top 15-20 prospect for Donnie f***ing Veal?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The world in which we live in, a world where Cashman is not an idiot. He might not make the roster but he is 22 and can be stashed in AAA for a season or two until McCann can't catch anymore and one of him or Sanchez is able to take over. He won't move for just Gillaspie. Maybe Gillaspie and Petricka, but even that seems a little low. I wouldn't give them Jones though, thats our closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 That doesn't mean the Yankees just have to give him away. In fact, that kind of organizational depth is now crucial if you don't want to pay through the teeth in free agent. The most valuable commodity in the game now is young, cost-controlled talent...just watch, in the next couple of seasons, even those extensions that buy out one or two years of free agency are going to rise another 50% as well. This is the one major area left for the agents to exploit. For example, the Mike Trout situation with the Angels...it's going to be hilarious if their contracts for Pujols and Hamilton make a contract extension with Trout untenable. They've been playing hardball so far with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) Tell me why we shouldn't? In what world does Murphy ever have a chance at making the Yankees roster? If you were the Yankees would you take Veal? Hell, Veal wont even make the roster of the Sox who are rebuilding, the Yanks are contenders. Just because Murphy won't make the Yankees roster doesn't make him a worthless prospect. At only 22 he has plenty of value and I'm sure the Yanks could get a better offer for Murphy than Veal. Gonna have to give to get. Oh and it's not like Jones numbers are spectacular either and especially the way he shows the ball to the hitters during his delivery. Jones is very replaceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 06:50 PM) There's a good chance Gillaspie will be released by the end of Spring Training, IMO, with how this team has set its roster. He might have a tiny bit of trade value but very little. He's not going to be the key piece in getting back anyone the Yankees actually value. Someone will trade something for Gillaspie. It may not be much, but 3B is so weak right now that Conor has some value as a platoon player. And quite frankly, I hope they find a way to keep him and make him a backup at 3B/1B/LF, because he'd be very useful in that type of role IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) So they should trade a top 15-20 prospect for Donnie f***ing Veal?? No, they shouldn't. They should trade him for Gillaspie and Molina. If you read my comment, I said if you were talking about anybody in the bullpen, give them Donnie Veal, because he's the only guy I'd give up for Murphy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) If the Sox want to trade for a good catcher named Murphy, it should be Tom Murphy, not J.R. Edited December 23, 2013 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:39 PM) No, they shouldn't. They should trade him for Gillaspie and Molina. If you read my comment, I said if you were talking about anybody in the bullpen, give them Donnie Veal, because he's the only guy I'd give up for Murphy. Jeff Marquez had 10X the value of Nestor Molina now when he was traded for Swisher. I'm not sure why Molina would interest them when he hasn't been mentioned by a single poster here in our pitching plans for the future. Now if you want to trade them Semien, that's who they are going to ask for...that might be the end of the conversation, they might be offered Carlos Sanchez instead, but one player who won't start for the White Sox and a starting pitcher who will never sniff the big leagues isn't going to be very enticing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I thought with the Marlins needing a third baseman, Gillaspie may have been a fit. Would have been cheap for them and not cost much and help us open up a spot on the 40-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 07:57 PM) I thought with the Marlins needing a third baseman, Gillaspie may have been a fit. Would have been cheap for them and not cost much and help us open up a spot on the 40-man Casey McGehee. More of a proven commodity than Gillaspie. Edited December 23, 2013 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:46 PM) Jeff Marquez had 10X the value of Nestor Molina now when he was traded for Swisher. I'm not sure why Molina would interest them when he hasn't been mentioned by a single poster here in our pitching plans for the future. Now if you want to trade them Semien, that's who they are going to ask for...that might be the end of the conversation, they might be offered Carlos Sanchez instead, but one player who won't start for the White Sox and a starting pitcher who will never sniff the big leagues isn't going to be very enticing. Nestor Molina will never sniff the big leagues for the White Sox the same way J.R. Murphy will never sniff the big leagues for the Yankees. Both are useless to their organizations, of course Murphy could actually serve as a backup for some other team for a couple years. J.R. Murphy is not very good, I don't know why anyone would give up anything of value for him. I'd rather have Phegley and Nieto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:06 PM) Nestor Molina will never sniff the big leagues for the White Sox the same way J.R. Murphy will never sniff the big leagues for the Yankees. Both are useless to their organizations, of course Murphy could actually serve as a backup for some other team for a couple years. J.R. Murphy is not very good, I don't know why anyone would give up anything of value for him. I'd rather have Phegley and Nieto. So at only 22 years old Murphy will never develope into anything? Really? Good grief the kid is still a developing prospect at a position that is known for taking longer to develope and you say he won't amount to anything? Please explain how you can possibly know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:01 PM) Casey McGehee. More of a proven commodity than Gillaspie. Thats why I was using past tense kind of words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:17 PM) So at only 22 years old Murphy will never develope into anything? Really? Good grief the kid is still a developing prospect at a position that is known for taking longer to develope and you say he won't amount to anything? Please explain how you can possibly know this. I don't know that he won't be very good, and you don't know that he will. I just don't see any reason to trade for him, other than to just throw a whole bunch of catchers at the wall and see who sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 We must really be starved for rumors if a single tiny blurb about one of probably many possibilities is causing this much fervor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 08:41 PM) I don't know that he won't be very good, and you don't know that he will. I just don't see any reason to trade for him, other than to just throw a whole bunch of catchers at the wall and see who sticks. You're right, neither of us know. What I like is that he's only 22 and shows some promise, not that he's a sure bet by any means. I think we can agree there are other options we would both prefer, Rosario and Grandel are the first that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:58 PM) We must really be starved for rumors if a single tiny blurb about one of probably many possibilities is causing this much fervor. And starved for a catcher so badly that people want JR Murphy for Nate Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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