ptatc Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) It remains silly to have both of them on the same roster this season. The only reason would be if RH thinks he can get more in a trade at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) I hope we don't trade for Nick Franklin, with all the internal Beckham-replacement options in the queue. They wanted Nick Franklin to play third back before we had Davidson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 02:30 PM) It remains silly to have both of them on the same roster this season. This is a myopic view of the situation that does not consider a number of important factors including injury contingencies, trade value, and the dynamic supply and demand situation of players throughout the season. Is my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) This is a myopic view of the situation that does not consider a number of important factors including injury contingencies, trade value, and the dynamic supply and demand situation of players throughout the season. Is my opinion. I think all of those are summarized well by me calling it silly. I think it's a poor move to break camp with both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 03:05 PM) I think all of those are summarized well by me calling it silly. I think it's a poor move to break camp with both of them. It's a point of contention, but I certainly don't feel that way. This alignment allows them a backup outfielder who can play all 3 positions while also affording them the opportunity to play matchups while also sticking with the hot hand. I don't think anybody has ever said that they have too much talent. I also don't think it's a big problem if they end up losing Jordan Danks. To me, he's the equivalent of Conor Gillaspie. Yes, he can certainly be a solid bench player, but having him start is a dangerous proposition and if there are more talented players in front of him, why not go with them? The Sox don't currently have that in the infield, at least not without burning up a year of free agency/arbitration, but come June or July, that could certainly be an option. In the outfield, they absolutely do have players more talented than Jordan Danks. I still see them trading one of the two, more likely De Aza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 03:05 PM) I think all of those are summarized well by me calling it silly. I think it's a poor move to break camp with both of them. I think this would be the case if they were a WS contending team. An extra more versatile player would be preferable. However with this team Hahn can wait for a better deal if he thinks one is out there. All this being said, I think one of them is traded prior to the beginning of the season and this problem will not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) I hope we don't trade for Nick Franklin, with all the internal Beckham-replacement options in the queue. I'd love to get Nick Franklin into the fold and allow Semien get seasoning to eventually replace Alexei. If one of the young MIF sticks, we're lucky. Nick Franklin would be an awesome get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) I think this would be the case if they were a WS contending team. An extra more versatile player would be preferable. However with this team Hahn can wait for a better deal if he thinks one is out there. All this being said, I think one of them is traded prior to the beginning of the season and this problem will not exist. See, I disagree, I think De Aza would be a decent match for this team if they were a WS contending team because he could be a useful PH bat on an extremely RH-heavy roster, and because you might not care that much if getting him 400 PA's requires taking 200 PA's away from Viciedo and Garcia each. You also might not worry as much if De Aza got off to a slow start in that case (like we saw with him last year). The downside on a WS contender is you really don't want to use him as a defensive replacement very often because he's not a clearly substantial upgrade over anyone on the roster and those could be really useful in late innings as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 If we were contending, it would make much more sense to carry a starting-caliber depreciating asset on your bench instead of trading him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 5, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) See, I disagree, I think De Aza would be a decent match for this team if they were a WS contending team because he could be a useful PH bat on an extremely RH-heavy roster, and because you might not care that much if getting him 400 PA's requires taking 200 PA's away from Viciedo and Garcia each. You also might not worry as much if De Aza got off to a slow start in that case (like we saw with him last year). The downside on a WS contender is you really don't want to use him as a defensive replacement very often because he's not a clearly substantial upgrade over anyone on the roster and those could be really useful in late innings as well. I agree. On a contending team, I would not be waiting for Viciedo and DeAza would be my 4th outfielder. In this scenario Vicideo is in the minors or traded. I'm not waiting for him to develop at the MLB. In the state the Sox are in with so many young players developing Abreu, Eaton, Davidson, Garcia, I think the Sox can give Viciedo another year and trade DeAza if the price is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 With Corbin out... Danks + Cash + one of our MI prospects (Sanchez or Johnson?) for Chris Owings? Go into the season and try to build Danks value to do this. I mean, Hahn loves trading with Towers, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) With Corbin out... Danks + Cash + one of our MI prospects (Sanchez or Johnson?) for Chris Owings? Go into the season and try to build Danks value to do this. I mean, Hahn loves trading with Towers, so... Diamondbacks are looking to unload Gregorious and name Owings the starter. Not giving up Danks and a spect for any of the Dbacks shortstops anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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