LittleHurt05 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) No more sad than any other bench player. That's not true. It's not sad to see Tyler Flowers suck at baseball, he's just not good. It sucks to see Konerko struggle so much after seeing how good of a player he was for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) That's not true. It's not sad to see Tyler Flowers suck at baseball, he's just not good. It sucks to see Konerko struggle so much after seeing how good of a player he was for so long. Honestly, if he is THAT bad, I don't see him sticking with it. He believes he can still do it, but only in a part time role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) That's not true. It's not sad to see Tyler Flowers suck at baseball, he's just not good. It sucks to see Konerko struggle so much after seeing how good of a player he was for so long. I'd rather see Paul Konerko than Jake Elmore, no matter how bad Konerko is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) That's not true. It's not sad to see Tyler Flowers suck at baseball, he's just not good. It sucks to see Konerko struggle so much after seeing how good of a player he was for so long. Should not be surprising. Time is undefeated. Every MLB player will be bad eventually. In purely terms of --is the team better or not-- you should want the guy who has done it before(very recently against LHP...was still very good). If the Sox can make the bench logistics work... make some trades................ then this Konerko thing could be very good. And if the team just ends up being bad, well, we have a 2015 focus anyway........so not that much harm done. Put differently-- a Konerko bounceback year is one of probably 5-6 things that have to go really right....for us to hang with DET in 2014. Dunn plus a bounceback PK, making up one spot in the lineup in tandem... is basically a near all-star offensively. PK retiring would just mean yet ANOTHER thing would have to go right, to deliver that level of magnitude... which is piling on ..tons. 2012's success could basically be called the result of several career years and bounceback years. Edited January 3, 2014 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) I'd rather see Paul Konerko than Jake Elmore, no matter how bad Konerko is. Keppinger is still the more obvious choice. He has the MLB experience as a utility IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) Keppinger is still the more obvious choice. He has the MLB experience as a utility IF. Kepp will be there. I am looking more at the last bench spot vs the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 08:23 AM) This is the side of baseball I love the most. White Sox fans do not deserve a "feel good curtain call" for PK. Like most fan bases in baseball, Sox fans only attend games when the team is winning. Trotting PK back out there for everyone to chant "Paulie" for one last go around, does not help this team win games in 2014 nor does it build towards future winning seasons. If Hahn can find a way to keep PK on the roster just to DH vs LHP in a platoon with Dunn, and it does not take away from Viciedo's plate appearances, or the Gilaspie/Davidson platoon at 3B that I want to see, then I'm ok with it... but I just don't see how that can happen as the roster is currently positioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) White Sox fans do not deserve a "feel good curtain call" for PK. Like most fan bases in baseball, Sox fans only attend games when the team is winning. Trotting PK back out there for everyone to chant "Paulie" for one last go around, does not help this team win games in 2014 nor does it build towards future winning seasons. If Hahn can find a way to keep PK on the roster just to DH vs LHP in a platoon with Dunn, and it does not take away from Viciedo's plate appearances, or the Gilaspie/Davidson platoon at 3B that I want to see, then I'm ok with it... but I just don't see how that can happen as the roster is currently positioned. lol. I am curious who this poor unfortunate sole that is going to help is in the future, that is being blocked by Paul Konerko is, because I sure don't see it. Besides if you prescribe to the theory that if you can't be first, be last for the best draft pick, then Konerko is a bigger help to the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) lol. I am curious who this poor unfortunate sole that is going to help is in the future, that is being blocked by Paul Konerko is, because I sure don't see it. Besides if you prescribe to the theory that if you can't be first, be last for the best draft pick, then Konerko is a bigger help to the future. I'm going to continue to hope you guys are right and his name isn't Jose Dariel Abreu...because he happens to be a right hand hitting 1b/Dh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (buckweaver @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 07:49 AM) But the three legitimate stars-a-comin', Abreu, Davidson and Garcia, won't suffer; they will only be aided with a year of study under Paul Konerko. We can only hope any of their careers with the White Sox will begin to approach what Konerko has done for this organization. What exactly is Paul Konerko going to do aid these young players and why hasn't it worked for us in the past? I mean, Gordon Beckham is the best example. He looks at Paulie as a role model and yet he still can't hit a baseball. I have no doubt that Paulie is an ultimate professional and a great leader by example, but talent/skill is going to make or break the guys he mentors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 12:58 PM) I'm going to continue to hope you guys are right and his name isn't Jose Dariel Abreu...because he happens to be a right hand hitting 1b/Dh. I said earlier that I wouldn't mind Abreu being in the 125 to 130 game range. He is a big boy who is used to playing 90 game seasons. Giving him regular rest is probably a smart idea. It doesn't him no good to wear down and slump at the end of his first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) I said earlier that I wouldn't mind Abreu being in the 125 to 130 game range. He is a big boy who is used to playing 90 game seasons. Giving him regular rest is probably a smart idea. It doesn't him no good to wear down and slump at the end of his first year. Which is why you also advocated shutting down Danks after 25 starts last year and Peavy after his arm clearly tired out in 2011, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Which is why you also advocated shutting down Danks after 25 starts last year and Peavy after his arm clearly tired out in 2011, right? And why the Sox got them extra rest and days off during that period of time too. Condition, but be smart and realistic about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 12:44 PM) lol. I am curious who this poor unfortunate sole that is going to help is in the future, that is being blocked by Paul Konerko is, because I sure don't see it. I think there is a real chance that Davidson doesn't break with the big club because of Konerko's place on the roster. Also, I think it is possible Viciedo could have plate appearances at DH taken away by PK. It could stream all the way down to Avisail sitting for PK as well. Finally, the most obvious is Abreu. So, there are 4 players that are crucial to the future of this ballclub that will be directly effected by your opportunity to chant "Paulie, Paulie".... from your couch at home because no one goes to the..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) I think there is a real chance that Davidson doesn't break with the big club because of Konerko's place on the roster. Also, I think it is possible Viciedo could have plate appearances at DH taken away by PK. It could stream all the way down to Avisail sitting for PK as well. Finally, the most obvious is Abreu. So, there are 4 players that are crucial to the future of this ballclub that will be directly effected by your opportunity to chant "Paulie, Paulie".... from your couch at home because no one goes to the..... If Davidson is not on the opening day roster, it isn't because of Konerko. It would be because of Davidson. Why would Garcia sit for Konerko? That makes zero sense. Abreu might get a break, but the White Sox gave him $68 million. He is going to play. The guy who will have his time cut is Adam Dunn vs. LHP. I don't think anyone is opposed to that. All other complaining, is complaining to complain. It really is ridiculous. If the Sox win 85 games, they should have lost more so they would get a better draft pick. If they have Konerko on the bench, it's going to really hurt them because a guy who most likely should be in AAA anyway isn't going to be on the roster. Give it a rest. Konerko on the roster hampers Ventura a little bit, but not enough to make the difference between going to the playoffs and having a miserable season. Edited January 3, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Which is why you also advocated shutting down Danks after 25 starts last year and Peavy after his arm clearly tired out in 2011, right? It's different for pitchers and hitters. Pitchers need to pitch regularly to maintain the endurance and muscle strength since they get time off between starts anyway. For hitters the breaks are usually mental breaks especially for rookies who struggle or foreign players who are adjusting to many variables in life not just slumps in baseball. I think have PK as a resource for Abreu is a great idea. Pk went through many struggles as a similar player to Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) If Davidson is not on the opening day roster, it isn't because of Konerko. It would be because of Davidson. Right now, if he and Gillaspie both put up similar numbers in spring training, he'd miss the roster because we'd want to keep the guy who was out of options and there's no room for both of them. That could be the case no matter how good their numbers are. There could have been room for Gillaspie, Davidson, Keppinger, and a backup OF on the roster if Konerko were not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) It's different for pitchers and hitters. Pitchers need to pitch regularly to maintain the endurance and muscle strength since they get time off between starts anyway. For hitters the breaks are usually mental breaks especially for rookies who struggle or foreign players who are adjusting to many variables in life not just slumps in baseball. I think have PK as a resource for Abreu is a great idea. Pk went through many struggles as a similar player to Abreu. I assume Konerko also speaks fluent spanish for this to make sense, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) I think there is a real chance that Davidson doesn't break with the big club because of Konerko's place on the roster. Also, I think it is possible Viciedo could have plate appearances at DH taken away by PK. It could stream all the way down to Avisail sitting for PK as well. Finally, the most obvious is Abreu. So, there are 4 players that are crucial to the future of this ballclub that will be directly effected by your opportunity to chant "Paulie, Paulie".... from your couch at home because no one goes to the..... Then again maybe if Sox fans were loyal in attending, maybe the management wouldn't feel like Konerko is a bigger selling point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) If Davidson is not on the opening day roster, it isn't because of Konerko. It would be because of Davidson. Why would Garcia sit for Konerko? That makes zero sense. Abreu might get a break, but the White Sox gave him $68 million. He is going to play. The guy who will have his time cut is Adam Dunn vs. LHP. I don't think anyone is opposed to that. All other complaining, is complaining to complain. It really is ridiculous. If the Sox win 85 games, they should have lost more so they would get a better draft pick. If they have Konerko on the bench, it's going to really hurt them because a guy who most likely should be in AAA anyway isn't going to be on the roster. Give it a rest. This. Davidson is one of the least affected by Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) I assume Konerko also speaks fluent spanish for this to make sense, right? I'm sure there will be a translator around, if not one of the other players. All clubs will employ them, if needed. PK has always been willing to help younger players and I think he will be available to Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) I'm sure there will be a translator around, if not one of the other players. All clubs will employ them, if needed. PK has always been willing to help younger players and I think he will be available to Abreu. Well, it's a good thing we have a strong record of developing hitting prospects recently then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Opening Day - Gillaspie different team. Keppinger different team. Unless Dunn is traded, which isn't likely. Davidson- 3B in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 02:33 PM) Opening Day - Gillaspie different team. Keppinger different team. Unless Dunn is traded, which isn't likely. Davidson- 3B in Chicago. If you gave me the choice between Konerko on the roster and Gillaspie on the roster, I'd have gone with Gillaspie without a 2nd thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) Right now, if he and Gillaspie both put up similar numbers in spring training, he'd miss the roster because we'd want to keep the guy who was out of options and there's no room for both of them. That could be the case no matter how good their numbers are. There could have been room for Gillaspie, Davidson, Keppinger, and a backup OF on the roster if Konerko were not there. The roster will take care of itself. I don't know why you think Davidson absolutely shouldn't start the year in AAA. Someone will probably get traded. Someone will probably suck, someone will probably get hurt. It happens every year, although for a guy who constantly cries about a team that lost 99 games, you sure do seem to think they have a lot of guys who just need to play. Gillaspie, Jordan Danks....these guys aren't difference makers. They ride pine and play for second division teams. The goal is to be better than that. If they go somewhere else...........who cares? Edited January 3, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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