Hahn's next move?

[Jose Abreu]

Why?

Great AAA numbers and I'm sure Cooper will do work with him.

[Jose Abreu]

With that in mind, I'm expecting an even bigger year from Axelrod. Ramon Troncoso might have a huge ST too.

The difference is Cooper's never worked with ES before.

[southsider2k5]

The difference is Cooper's never worked with ES before.

 

There isn't nearly as much to work with as a guy who has a big arm. This guy has Mark Buehrle's arm, at best. If he had Mark Buehrle's stuff, SF wouldn't have been looking to clear him from the 40 man roster, and even if they had been... SOMEONE in the NL would have claimed him. As hard as it is to find 5 good starters in baseball today, let alone a left handed starter making minimum wage, if the kid was really THAT good (meaning realistic 5th starter good) SOMEONE would have beaten us to him. With as much pitching as the Cubs and Astros don't have, they didn't even put a claim on Surkamp. To me that is as strong of a statement as any that Surkamp is a worst case scenario starter for the White Sox. He is the left-handed version of Dylan Axelrod as far as I am concerned.

[Jose Abreu]

There isn't nearly as much to work with as a guy who has a big arm. This guy has Mark Buehrle's arm, at best. If he had Mark Buehrle's stuff, SF wouldn't have been looking to clear him from the 40 man roster, and even if they had been... SOMEONE in the NL would have claimed him. As hard as it is to find 5 good starters in baseball today, let alone a left handed starter making minimum wage, if the kid was really THAT good (meaning realistic 5th starter good) SOMEONE would have beaten us to him. With as much pitching as the Cubs and Astros don't have, they didn't even put a claim on Surkamp. To me that is as strong of a statement as any that Surkamp is a worst case scenario starter for the White Sox. He is the left-handed version of Dylan Axelrod as far as I am concerned.

It's sort of, but not really, like this. If Quintana is this good why did the Yankees let him go?

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm not particularly persuaded by the "nobody picked him up on waivers" argument. GMs do dumb stuff all the time. It is common practice in August to put people on waivers to see if the other GMs don't notice. People weren't on the ball. It's all good. He's a nice player so long as he is healthy. He's been better than Dylan Axelrod in every way and for good reason. He's more Barry Zito than Mark Buehrle.

 

Is he going to be good? I'm not sure. Is he one of the best prospects ready to pitch on the MLB staff? Absolutely.

[southsider2k5]

It's sort of, but not really, like this. If Quintana is this good why did the Yankees let him go?

 

Because he was an international player, who had just played A ball, and was thought to be no where near major league ready, versus Surkamp who actually pitched in the majors this year.

[southsider2k5]

Yeah, I'm not particularly persuaded by the "nobody picked him up on waivers" argument. GMs do dumb stuff all the time. It is common practice in August to put people on waivers to see if the other GMs don't notice. People weren't on the ball. It's all good. He's a nice player so long as he is healthy. He's been better than Dylan Axelrod in every way and for good reason. He's more Barry Zito than Mark Buehrle.

 

Is he going to be good? I'm not sure. Is he one of the best prospects ready to pitch on the MLB staff? Absolutely.

 

This wasn't an August waiver run. This was clearing off of the 40 man roster and exposing him to all major league baseball to be claimed. Very different scenarios here as the first allows you to pull a player back and keep them. This does not.

 

Again, pitching hungry organizations such as Houston and the Cubs didn't claim him. If they thought he was even servicible he is a major league ready guy, who is under team control for six years, and at effectively minimum wage for the next three years. All they would have to do is have a spot for him on the 40 man roster, not even 25 man, during the stage of winter that the Sox claimed him.

[ILMOU]

Larry from SSS with some reasons why RH may have extra time to deal with Kepp/Gillaspie trades, 61 days to be precise.

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/2/5/53783...-semien-tinfoil

 

Would allow for other team needs arising due to injuries, etc.

[Balta1701]

Larry from SSS with some reasons why RH may have extra time to deal with Kepp/Gillaspie trades, 61 days to be precise.

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/2/5/53783...-semien-tinfoil

 

Would allow for other team needs arising due to injuries, etc.

I still think you're asking for a lot of trouble if you're not going to give Davidson a legit shot in the spring, because that's exactly the kind of setup where he would hit so well that he'd earn a starting big league role and then get sent down for 2 guys who struggled and were thus untradeable

[witesoxfan]

I still think you're asking for a lot of trouble if you're not going to give Davidson a legit shot in the spring, because that's exactly the kind of setup where he would hit so well that he'd earn a starting big league role and then get sent down for 2 guys who struggled and were thus untradeable

 

Worst comes to worst, Gillaspie can be DFA'd.

[ILMOU]

I still think you're asking for a lot of trouble if you're not going to give Davidson a legit shot in the spring, because that's exactly the kind of setup where he would hit so well that he'd earn a starting big league role and then get sent down for 2 guys who struggled and were thus untradeable

I don't disagree - we just don't how the braintrust is thinking on these things. Yes it would suck if Davidson "earns it" and then is sent down anyway.

[southsider2k5]

I don't disagree - we just don't how the braintrust is thinking on these things. Yes it would suck if Davidson "earns it" and then is sent down anyway.

 

Hahn has said a few times that Davidson can win a job out of spring training this year.

[Vance Law]

I still think you're asking for a lot of trouble if you're not going to give Davidson a legit shot in the spring, because that's exactly the kind of setup where he would hit so well that he'd earn a starting big league role and then get sent down for 2 guys who struggled and were thus untradeable

 

Tyler Flowers hit .476 in spring training in 2011

[Vance Law]

Keppinger hit .412 last year in Spring Training. He also had a .198 OBP in April.

 

That's my point.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Worst comes to worst, Gillaspie can be DFA'd.

LOL

 

You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.?

 

You're on a roll, too. Going....?

[The Ultimate Champion]

Hahn has said a few times that Davidson can win a job out of spring training this year.

Hahn doesn't want to load the kid with pressure. Davidson has many times stated that he just wants to get to the bigs and stay there. Regardless of the reasoning, Davidson should be playing at the MLB level when he's ready.

 

I also strongly disagree with the SSS idea that Davidson is unquestionably MLB ready. No, he's not. You don't know if he's ready until he's playing every day in the Majors. The Sox would be smart to take it slow with him because he has some flaws which if exploited could deflate the whole Davidson experience pretty quickly.

 

I mean f***, the reasoning SSS used was that he hit decently in an MLB cup of coffee & hit well in the PCL. Yeah I'm going to let the Sox judge this guy. Servicetime is a possible issue but it's not like this guy doesn't have holes in his game.

[caulfield12]

Hahn doesn't want to load the kid with pressure. Davidson has many times stated that he just wants to get to the bigs and stay there. Regardless of the reasoning, Davidson should be playing at the MLB level when he's ready.

 

I also strongly disagree with the SSS idea that Davidson is unquestionably MLB ready. No, he's not. You don't know if he's ready until he's playing every day in the Majors. The Sox would be smart to take it slow with him because he has some flaws which if exploited could deflate the whole Davidson experience pretty quickly.

 

I mean f***, the reasoning SSS used was that he hit decently in an MLB cup of coffee & hit well in the PCL. Yeah I'm going to let the Sox judge this guy. Servicetime is a possible issue but it's not like this guy doesn't have holes in his game.

 

 

See Josh Fields or even Morel for late-season stretches...or Mark Teahen for 3-4 months with the Royals.

[Quin]

LOL

 

You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.?

 

You're on a roll, too. Going....?

 

Dunn and Keppinger cost money.

 

You need two catchers.

 

Jordan Danks is the perfect 4th OF for an OF of Dayan-Eaton-Avi

[ILMOU]

I'm with you on that. ST stats seem to have an inverse relationship to regular season starts. Either way, ST stats aren't anything I'm putting weight in to.

I'm with you. But, there ARE jobs up for grabs, ostensibly, and some of these will be determined by ST performance.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen

[witesoxfan]

LOL

 

You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.?

 

You're on a roll, too. Going....?

 

Yes, in the absolute worst case scenario, that's exactly what I'd do, because Gillaspie costs nothing. In all likelihood, you'd be able to get a live arm for him. Do you understand what worst case scenario means, or are you going to go around trumpeting the idea that I would DFA Gillaspie if it saved me 50¢ on a hamburger at McDonalds? Because that would be wrong. I'd obviously never do it for less than $1.50.

 

You seem like the type that would get eat money just because the player sucks without trying to save any or get something in return. You'd have probably eaten the contract for Mark Teahen and, just like that, the White Sox don't have Webb or Jaye. That does not appease ownership and it does not appease basic economic theory.

[spiderman]

LOL

 

You'd DFA Gillaspie over Dunn, Keppinger, Jordan Danks, a catcher, etc. etc. etc.?

 

You're on a roll, too. Going....?

 

Since Dunn and Keppinger have guaranteed deals, wouldn't it make logical sense that Gillaspie is expendable - IF - money plays any role?

 

Secondly, even though Keppinger had a bad year, and isn't very good, Gillaspie isn't much better, if at all. I don't think his roster spot is in any way secure to even force the White Sox to keep him.

 

In all reality, my guess is that both Keppinger/Gillaspie both open up the season as the 3B in some platoon situation. Davidson could win the job with a great spring, but I think they would prefer to not rush him and bring him up in June.

[Dick Allen]

Yes, in the absolute worst case scenario, that's exactly what I'd do, because Gillaspie costs nothing. In all likelihood, you'd be able to get a live arm for him. Do you understand what worst case scenario means, or are you going to go around trumpeting the idea that I would DFA Gillaspie if it saved me 50¢ on a hamburger at McDonalds? Because that would be wrong. I'd obviously never do it for less than $1.50.

 

You seem like the type that would get eat money just because the player sucks without trying to save any or get something in return. You'd have probably eaten the contract for Mark Teahen and, just like that, the White Sox don't have Webb or Jaye. That does not appease ownership and it does not appease basic economic theory.

While I agree, eating money isn't always the right thing to do, Teahen is a bad example. He didn't net the White Sox those players. Edwin Jackson did. If anything, including him and his entire contract, cost the White Sox players.

[witesoxfan]

While I agree, eating money isn't always the right thing to do, Teahen is a bad example. He didn't net the White Sox those players. Edwin Jackson did. If anything, including him and his entire contract, cost the White Sox players.

 

Yeah, that's true, but Williams was able to save money getting rid of him. Same thing with Linebrink. Teams will almost always have uses and willingness for capable players, but it will be a certain price.

[Dick Allen]

Completely off topic but Jackson has to be the leader in mentions on this site per games played in a White Sox uniform.

 

So guys who have never played for the Sox would not be eligible. Between the two trades (acquiring and trading), his terrible signing with the Cubs and comparisons to every #3, #4 and #5 starter, he has to be in the lead in his 30 games with the Sox.

I agree.

 

And for all the terribleness attached to his name, with the mention of the Cubs, and the Daniel Hudson love, sometimes it's lost that EJax was pretty good with the White Sox.

[witesoxfan]

I agree.

 

And for all the terribleness attached to his name, with the mention of the Cubs, and the Daniel Hudson love, sometimes it's lost that EJax was pretty good with the White Sox.

 

30 starts, 3.66 ERA, 196.2 IP, 174 K, 57 BB

 

Honestly, if he has a mediocre season this year but is still showing good stuff, and the Sox could use a starter, that's a guy I could see the Sox possibly acquiring. Try and get the Cubs to eat $10-12 million of the deal.